# Democratic bigotry in denouncing the "Southern Strategy" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 23, 2002, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471 "2002-12-23T02:55:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/481 "2002-12-31T15:17:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > You come after me for every little misstatement, yet your absolutely silent on Sparticus’ shit. You seem to be handling Sparky just fine on your own, plus I was away from the thread when you and he revived it anyway. FTR, I disagree with a hell of a lot of what he claimed, particularly that the GOP is “racist,” which in my book is not the same thing as willing tyo cynically pander to racists. > [@](#): > > You support every slam and slander on Republicans no matter how thinly stretched, and complain about the quality when I return the favor to demonstrate a smear campaign can work both ways. Really? Like what? > [@](#): > > You’ve repeatedly ignored requests to make a studied analysis of the data, but continue to post bullshit single incidents as if they’ve proved the larger. Your [evidentiary criteria] is bullshit, as a number of us explained back on page 1. I ain’t playing by your preferred rules, because your preferred rules are unreasonable and unattainable. But whether you like it or not, the examples I and others have provided _are_ evidence of pandering to bigots. Your nitpicky point throughout has been that they are not _conclusive proof_ of such pandering. Yep. So what? > [@](#): > > You’ve sat there quietyly while Elucidator coyly accuses me of being a troll from another board. I was in bed, goddammit. What the hell do you want me to do about it? IANAM. > [@](#): > > Now you try to impugn not based on their content but because you don’t like where they come from. The rectum from which a craptacular assertion of fact is pulled matters not. Whether it came from your ass or somebody else’s, it still smells pretty stinky. Get some real cites if you want to have a real discussion. > [@](#): > > You employ a double standard when examining incidents. Every Republican slight or perceived slight is proof of a pattern, while every Democratic one is somehow an exception. No, I have not argued at all that the Democratic examples offered have been exceptions. What I’ve been arguing is that most of them are false, vastly overblown, or simply irrelevant. The _father_ of a former Democratic representative? Huh? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/482 "2002-12-31T15:25:03Z")
You accused me of being a liar for misstating a cite. In that accusation you make the same type of misstatement. Do I call you a liar, or do I just assume it’s a mistake? Then after you do that you’re not in the “mood” to “forgive” me because of my willingness to mistate facts??? Total hypocrisy. You sit there and call me a liar, when you did the exact same thing. Like I said. Take your-high handed hypocrisy and step off like you said you would 6-7 pages ago. That is, if you’re not a liar. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/483 "2002-12-31T15:27:36Z")
Mere hyperbole. Surely you understand? And I cannot find the slightest bit of evidence in support of the Al Gore photography thing. Are you still standing behind the blogcite? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/484 "2002-12-31T15:34:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > **Mere hyperbole. Surely you understand?** Understand what? Your habit of casually calling me a liar every time I make a mistake? Twice I misstated. Twice I immediately corrected it. In the same post where you acknowledge your identical mistake to mine, you hold my ass to the fire insisting I’m a liar because of my willingness to misstate facts. But that itself is a lie. It happened twice. I corrected it. You’re lying when you call me a liar. It’s blatant hypocrisy because you hold yourself to a different standard while you moralize and talk down to me. You owe me a full retraction and apology. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/485 "2002-12-31T15:41:09Z")
I’ll apologize if you assure me of the following: That you had no intent to deceive, mislead, or stretch the truth when you posted that “Gore reportedly told black secret service agents to stay away because he didn’t want them to be photographed with him” and that “[Gore] sat there in the company of racist jokes and did nothing about it.” If you had no such intent, and they were honestly made assertions of fact, then I should not have called you a liar. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/486 "2002-12-31T15:42:41Z")
I mean, come on, not even your blogcite claims “repeatedly.” ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/487 "2002-12-31T15:49:29Z")
Do you think I was such an idiot that I would post the cite that proves I’m wrong immediately following a deliberate lie? If I was lying then why wouldn’t I lie now? If you have a doubt, don’t aplogize. Go debate December. I’m not going to play games swearing my innocence to hold to a standard you don’t hold yourself to. Assume good faith or don’t. Stand by your accusation, or retract it and apologize. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/488 "2002-12-31T15:53:12Z")
Your answer will appear presently in another forum. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/489 "2002-12-31T15:56:34Z")
Whatever. I’m not goning to protest my innocence over casual accusations that should never have been made. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/490 "2002-12-31T16:17:55Z")
[Whatever, indeed](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=153608). ---
**Author:** ![I\_am\_Sparticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@I\_am\_Sparticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_am_Sparticus)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/491 "2002-12-31T22:14:53Z")
Why don’t you two get a room? ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/492 "2002-12-31T22:17:02Z")
We did, Sparky. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/493 "2003-01-01T00:49:38Z")
He’s on your side, you know? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/494 "2003-01-01T00:56:41Z")
Anybody on yours? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/495 "2003-01-01T01:17:57Z")
Logic, Truth, Consistency, and Bob Cos. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/496 "2003-01-01T02:21:14Z")
Logic: 0 Truth: borderline Consistency: well, that is one out of three. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/497 "2003-01-01T03:19:14Z")
Gigo: You forgot Bob Cos. He’s been a 10. If “borderline” equals a 5, and consistency equals 10, that gives me an eight point something final score. A solid B! That’s pretty good considering that if this is the Olympics you’re the Russian Judge. I guess that means I win. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/498 "2003-01-01T03:22:18Z")
Ooops. 6.25 actually. A solid D. No medal from you. Damn Russian. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/499 "2003-01-01T03:28:04Z")
That was a FRENCH judge. As another philosopher said: if you have to lie you need to have a good memory. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471/500 "2003-01-01T03:45:06Z")
No. I meant and said RUSSIAN Judge. as still another philosopher said: When you assume, you make an ASS out o U and Me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-bigotry-in-denouncing-the-southern-strategy/144471.md?page=26)