# Democratic Debate 9 March **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 10, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511 "2016-03-10T03:04:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/1 "2016-03-10T03:04:42Z")
So it’s been going for an hour, and I haven’t seen thread on it yet… It’s being run by Univision and Washington Post, in Miami. Some impressions: Wow, this is brutal. The moderators are really hammering the candidates, particularly Clinton. The gloves are off between Sanders and Clinton as well. It seems like every time Sanders answers a question, he turns it around to attacking Wall Street banks. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/2 "2016-03-10T03:11:41Z")
If he wants to disprove Hillary’s charge that he’s a one-issue candidate, that doesn’t seem to be the way to do it. But then, he might not feel he needs to disprove it. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/3 "2016-03-10T03:13:00Z")
Well, to be fair, on the Benghazi question, he didn’t blame Wall Street. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/4 "2016-03-10T03:34:42Z")
Clinton’s proposals seem to be smaller, but she’s providing more details. She’s not predicating changes on a “political revolution” either. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/5 "2016-03-10T03:51:43Z")
There it is, Daniel Ortega and Fidel Castro. This is the stuff that would end Sanders in a general election. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/6 "2016-03-10T03:52:45Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > There it is, Daniel Ortega and Fidel Castro. This is the stuff that would end Sanders in a general election. agreed. Hence why if the Democrats nominate him, say hi to the Trump Administration. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/7 "2016-03-10T04:03:38Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > Clinton’s proposals seem to be smaller, but she’s providing more details. Isn’t that just like a woman? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/8 "2016-03-10T04:05:10Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > There it is, Daniel Ortega and Fidel Castro. This is the stuff that would end Sanders in a general election. Not as against Trump or Cruz, it wouldn’t, and who else could it possibly be at this point? And Sanders is no Castro, and Hillary is no Ortega **(if only!).** :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/9 "2016-03-10T04:07:44Z")
[Transcript](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/09/transcript-the-post-univision-democratic-debate-annotated/) here - seems to be a work in progress. ---
**Author:** ![Nema98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d2c977/32.png) [@Nema98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nema98)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/10 "2016-03-10T04:33:18Z")
Clinton again dishonestly brought up the auto bailout line. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/11 "2016-03-10T04:43:57Z")
If voters had any sense, it would be automatically disqualifying to have voted against TARP. I’m glad at least that Hillary has finally pushed back and used pretty much the same exact verbiage I do, calling it the “so-called bailout” and noting that it was all paid back with interest. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/12 "2016-03-10T04:59:39Z")
> [@Nema98](#): > > Clinton again dishonestly brought up the auto bailout line. From the transcript: > [@](#): > > CLINTON: Let’s talk about the auto bailout because I think it’s important for people to understand what happened. In December of 2008, we were both in the Senate, there was a vote on a free-standing bill to rescue the auto industry. We both voted for it. was the right vote. Unfortunately, it did not succeed. The Republicans marshalled the votes against it. > > A month later, in January, a new piece of legislation was offered that contained the money that would be used for the auto rescue. Then President-elect Obama – before he’d even been sworn in – sent word to all of us that he really hoped we would support it. He was still in the Senate, I was still in the Senate. > > And I voted for it. It was a hard vote. I’ll tell you, it was a hard vote. A lot of the votes you make are hard votes. But the fact is the money that rescued the auto industry was in that bill. So, a little more nuanced. The bill that Sanders voted against contained both the auto and the bank bailout. He voted against it. His reply: > [@](#): > > SANDERS: Let me – let’s – so that everybody knows, the bill that Secretary Clinton is talking about, that is – that was the bailout of the recklessness, irresponsibility and illegal behavior of Wall Street. It was the Wall Street bailout. So - on principle - he voted against bailing out both the auto industry and the banking industry, because the Wall Street banks were included. I personally disagree with him; failing to bail out the banks would have led to a worse recession, IMO, and as I recall the payback of the bailout was baked into the bill. Basically, Sanders voted due to his desire to punish Wall Street, for their greed, etc. I distrust ideologues, even when I agree with them. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/13 "2016-03-10T05:39:19Z")
Grr Bernie the proof isn’t in the pudding - the proof odd the pudding is in the eating. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/14 "2016-03-10T05:43:13Z")
I don’t think it’s dishonest at all. When it came down to it, rescuing the auto industry meant less to Sanders than punishing the financial industry. That may well encapsulate the divide between Clinton and Sanders in a nutshell, and Clinton is perfectly justified in pointing it out. I wonder how Sanders’ justification of it will play going forward. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/15 "2016-03-10T05:57:29Z")
Bernie voting against the 2007 immigration reform bill is an interesting factor as well. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/16 "2016-03-10T06:40:17Z")
I think Sanders is losing his authenticity cred. Sanders’ history on immigration is of defending low income American workers from cheap labor the same way he does on trade. He’s flip flopped for no particular reason other than that Latino voters can be important in some Democratic primaries. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/17 "2016-03-10T06:41:29Z")
And what’s with their reluctance to call Donald Trump racist? ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/18 "2016-03-10T08:08:58Z")
My guess: he’s the Republican frontrunner, and calling the frontrunner racist is tantamount to calling a large plurality of Republican voters racist, and even for Sanders that’s a bridge too far. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/19 "2016-03-11T04:31:31Z")
I couldn’t help but note that Sanders favors no restrictions on abortion other than that it’s “between a woman and her doctor”. My question though, is that is this a firm liberal principle, or are doctors allowed to exercise their conscience “for now”? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511/20 "2016-03-11T05:23:42Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Grr Bernie the proof isn’t in the pudding - the proof odd the pudding is in the eating. [wipes tapioca off 45 automatic] Actually, the proof is in the pudding. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debate-9-march/748511.md?page=2)