# Democratic Debates 7/30 & 7/31 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 30, 2019, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867 "2019-07-30T13:07:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/121 "2019-07-31T19:13:17Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Ok. Ok. Ok. I was extending a dainty toe in the direction of Steve Bullock, but I must withdraw it. I can’t take 4 more years of “new-cu-lar.” > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > EEK! Shades of George W. Bush! I am proud and happy that I know you both. ETA: and **Happy** , too! > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > And yes, I am angry about “new-cu-lar.” I may have to re-think the warm leather glove. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/122 "2019-07-31T19:16:50Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Also known as speaking passionately, (as long as you have a Y chromosome). No, she made an attempt to make a connection with the audience, and then admonished\* them \* when it didn’t work as planned. It would’ve been equally ridiculous had any of the men on stage done it too. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/123 "2019-07-31T19:17:30Z")
Regarding Bullock’s “Nucular”: Yeah that drove me crazy too. It’s also a sign that he’s either too dumb to hire good consultants or too dumb to listen to them if he did. A word mispronunciation that is so blatantly associated with the mannerisms and administration of such a shitty president in such recent history, should have been immediately flagged during his debate preparations as something to avoid. “But that’s just the way I pronounce it, I can’t help it!” “You better learn to say it correctly or people are going to think of George W. Fucking Bush, goddammit. Now practice!” That exchange clearly never took place. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/124 "2019-07-31T19:21:14Z")
I see why Bullock won…in Montana. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/125 "2019-07-31T19:25:16Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I think Pete’s problem in a general election isn’t just that he’s gay; it’s that he’s gay and he’s had noteworthy difficulties in terms of how he’s perceived by people of color back in his hometown. > > … > > The one candidate from last night’s debate with a clear path to the nomination is Elizabeth Warren. We’ll see tonight if that’s still true for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. I’ve never really bought into the idea that the individual state or city that a candidate was governor or mayor of really mattered very much when that candidate is running for president. No city is perfect. No state is perfect. Unless the individual in question presided over an unambiguous CATASTROPHE in city or state governance, I do not think the majority of Americans are even going to be thinking of any internal matters within the city or state of that candidate when it’s time to vote in the general election. The candidate’s job is to sell the country on big-picture ideas with inspiring charisma that gets people excited. I think Pete has that charisma without question, and while I don’t think his chances of taking the nomination are that high, I do think his chances of beating Trump if he somehow did, would be quite favorable, based on his charisma and his ability to discuss big-picture issues without it sounding like empty platitudes. I agree that Warren has a clear path to 4 more years of Trump. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/126 "2019-07-31T19:40:15Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I’m trying to think of a non-insulting way of describing these comments but coming up dry. They’re idiotic. A self help guru is not a good VP candidate. She can talk nice but no way should she be a heartbeat away from the presidency. But you’re only objection is she might be too pretty for the fundies? What the fuck? You think if the woman VP candidate is plain enough the fundies are going to vote Dem? I’m sorry, I forgot my winkie, ;). And my recommendation to never take anything I say without a tongue numbing amount of salt. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/127 "2019-07-31T19:44:24Z")
Not only did you forget your winkie, you wrote “I’m not joking”. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/128 "2019-07-31T20:01:19Z")
Oh. Now I’m extra embarrassed. \<-(real) I guess I was serious and being a sexist idiot, which is pointed out to me regularly. I’ll continue to work on it. Thank you for rubbing my nose in it; it’s the only way I’ll learn. Truly seriously. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/129 "2019-07-31T20:12:29Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > No, she made an attempt to make a connection with the audience, and then admonished\* them \* when it didn’t work as planned. It would’ve been equally ridiculous had any of the men on stage done it too. This. It was SO bad, and it drives me nuts that no one in the media seems to mention it but inexplicably keep piling on Beto. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/130 "2019-07-31T20:25:33Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Bernie belongs in the Muppet Show balcony, not running for president. Republicans would eat him alive and spit out the bones. This is quite delusional. In what way are they going to ‘Eat him alive?’ Republicans consider him and Warren their greatest threat. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/131 "2019-07-31T20:25:47Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Nothing. Intros, handshakes, flags, etc You missed the most important bit of the whole debate – Tim Ryan neglecting to put his hand over his heart for the National Anthem. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/132 "2019-07-31T20:31:22Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > This is quite delusional. In what way are they going to ‘Eat him alive?’ Republicans consider him and Warren their greatest threat. Nope. If the GOP got to choose their opponent, they’d pick Sanders/Warren or maybe Warren/Sanders. The extreme left just doesn’t get how completely out of touch with mainstream America those two are. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/133 "2019-07-31T20:34:32Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Nope. If the GOP got to choose their opponent, they’d pick Sanders/Warren or maybe Warren/Sanders. The extreme left just doesn’t get how completely out of touch with mainstream America those two are. They’re not out of touch, I’ve heard this crap before with Trump, and then he won. ‘Extreme left’ is now wanting healthcare free at the point at use. Warren and Sanders are about as extreme as FDR, that other traitorous _‘commie-pinko’_ ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/134 "2019-07-31T20:39:12Z")
Somebody edited John Delaney’s Wikipedia page to indicate that he had been murdered by Elizabeth Warren. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/135 "2019-07-31T20:42:35Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > You missed the most important bit of the whole debate – Tim Ryan neglecting to put his hand over his heart for the National Anthem. Really? I was joking to my wife that one of them might pull a Colin Kaepernick, but I didn’t think anyone really did anything like that. > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > This is quite delusional. In what way are they going to ‘Eat him alive?’ Republicans consider him and Warren their greatest threat. I think you might be…serious?? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/136 "2019-07-31T20:59:34Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > You missed the most important bit of the whole debate – Tim Ryan neglecting to put his hand over his heart for the National Anthem. I understand that the National Anthem is traditional at professional sports games. No reason for it, really (we’ve had threads on this) but it’s at least traditional. I’ve never seen it at a debate before, and I don’t like it. It’s as if they’re trying to compete with Trump’s flag humping. The candidates did a pretty good job having an adult discussion of issues, but CNN (or the DNC) seemed to want to make a mockery of the whole thing. God help us if this becomes the norm. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/137 "2019-07-31T21:02:16Z")
> [@](#): > > **SlackerInc** > I think you might be…serious?? I think you think it’s a joke??? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/138 "2019-07-31T21:06:26Z")
[Buttigieg mentioning over and over again how young he is.](https://news.yahoo.com/7-times-pete-buttigieg-highlighted-his-age-at-the-democratic-debate-032344564.html) It is quite stunning, though, to think that the oldest Democratic candidate in a race is more than twice as old as the youngest. That’s definitely got to be a historical first. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/139 "2019-07-31T22:35:06Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I think he’d [Buttigieg] be a good in the VP slot (Pence debates would be a hoot). But I’d be okay with him at the top of the ticket too. The question is, would Pence consent to be in a room alone with Buttigieg? ---
**Author:** ![LoneRhino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lonerhino/32/1311_2.png) [@LoneRhino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LoneRhino)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867/140 "2019-07-31T23:12:54Z")
Am I the only one that liked Hickenlooper? A big part of his message is that he actually enacted progressive policies. And that he did it in a purple state. I wish the governors in general were getting more traction. I consider it a slightly better resume point than senator for president. Granted, none of the governors currently running are charismatic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-debates-7-30-7-31/837867.md?page=8)