# Democratic drop outs for the remainder of 2019 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 27, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064 "2019-11-27T14:04:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/21 "2019-12-02T03:58:56Z")
That’s the first I’m hearing that he was even running to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/22 "2019-12-02T12:20:11Z")
[Steve Bullock is out](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/steve-bullock-drops-out-democratic-presidential-race-n1093921). He kept saying he’d demonstrated he could win in a red state like Montana. OK, let him demonstrate it again by running for Senator. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/23 "2019-12-02T12:39:05Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > The other Mayor, Pete, is now ranked as 3rd-likeliest to be Elected in November according to [Betfair.com](http://Betfair.com): > [@asahi](#): > > Mayor Pete cannot win without Black and Latino support, and he’s simply not going to get it. Buttigieg is a darling with educated white progressives, which might give him a boost in very white Iowa and NH, but that’s where the party ends. This. Buttigieg’s not going to win the nomination due to his lack of African-American support, and if he won the nomination, it would throw the election to Trump because it would depress A-A turnout. This is a good example of why betting markets are of limited predictive value. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/24 "2019-12-02T14:34:03Z")
If I’ve counted correctly, we’ve got 16 candidates now. Had been 17 for awhile, but then Bloomberg and Patrick entered the race, and Messam, Sestak, and Bullock dropped out. Net -1. So who’s still in it? Biden, Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg, Harris, Yang, Klobuchar, Gabbard, Booker, Bloomberg, Steyer, Castro, Bennet, Delaney (bet you’d forgotten about those last two!), Williamson, and Patrick. I _think_ I got that right. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/25 "2019-12-02T20:35:31Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > This. Buttigieg’s not going to win the nomination due to his lack of African-American support, and if he won the nomination, it would throw the election to Trump because it would depress A-A turnout. > > This is a good example of why betting markets are of limited predictive value. I actually like Mayor Pete - seems like a decent person. But his problem as a candidate isn’t the mere fact that he’s gay; it’s a lack of experience for one thing, and for another, his candidacy for the highest office in the land sends a pretty arrogant and tone-deaf message to people of color considering his controversies as mayor. He might be a white progressive darling, but he’s going to get confronted with hardcore reality if he is a real contender come primary season, and whatever happens to his candidacy could have ripple effects. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/26 "2019-12-02T21:16:30Z")
Could you actually describe which race-related controversies you’re referring to, _without looking anything up?_ Even if you can, I sincerely doubt most people in America can. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/27 "2019-12-02T22:02:11Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > Could you actually describe which race-related controversies you’re referring to, _without looking anything up?_ Even if you can, I sincerely doubt most people in America can. Given that it would be hard to win the Dem nomination without at least decent support among African-Americans, the question is, do _they_ have sufficient awareness of the controversies to put Mayor Pete on their shit-list, whether or not they can describe the controversies without looking stuff up. ETA: I’m not going to discuss the controversies themselves in this thread, since we’ve already got an active thread specifically about Buttigieg. See you there if you’re interested. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/28 "2019-12-02T23:27:35Z")
It’s kinda silly to say “You wouldn’t know what the controversies are without looking it up.” If someone has issues, it’s not like their opponents are going to stay silent about them. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/29 "2019-12-03T12:59:58Z")
You know what’s scary about the Dem race? _A **dozen** candidates have already dropped out_, and we’ve still got 16 left. The dropouts, in no particular order: deBlasio, Gillibrand, Messam, Hickenlooper, Moulton, O’Rourke, Inslee, Ojeda, Ryan, Sestak, Swalwell, and Bullock. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/30 "2019-12-03T16:14:40Z")
Yeah and it’s a shame because I think that some of the dropouts would ultimately have better chances in the election than the people who have stayed. Inslee for example, would crush it, IMO. Bullock wouldn’t fare too badly either. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/31 "2019-12-03T17:22:55Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > Yeah and it’s a shame because I think that some of the dropouts would ultimately have better chances in the election than the people who have stayed. Inslee for example, would crush it, IMO. Bullock wouldn’t fare too badly either. They had months and months to make their impact on Dem voters. If they couldn’t do that, how would they do a good job in the general? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/32 "2019-12-03T17:34:50Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > Yeah and it’s a shame because I think that some of the dropouts would ultimately have better chances in the election than the people who have stayed. Inslee for example, would crush it, IMO. Bullock wouldn’t fare too badly either. > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > They had months and months to make their impact on Dem voters. If they couldn’t do that, how would they do a good job in the general? Especially given that, as Christopher Newport University election forecaster [Rachel Bitecofer](https://cnu.edu/wasoncenter/about/) says, “[in the age of polarization, elections are all about that base.](https://www.palgrave.com/gp/blogs/perspectives-in-politics-international-studies/rachel-bitecofer-blog)” If they can’t get potential primary voters excited about them, they’re unlikely to boost Dem turnout in the general election either. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/33 "2019-12-03T18:13:51Z")
NBC reporting Kamala Harris is out. No linky yet. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/34 "2019-12-03T18:14:13Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > If anyone’s checked their inbox, you’ll notice that you’re getting bombarded with political fundraising emails as we approach the end of November and that’s on top of all the Black Friday and Cyber Monday emails. > > The Thanksgiving weekend would be a good weekend for a candidate(s) to drop out as it conveniently is also the end of the month. I assume that’s why Beto dropped out right on the 1st as he realized that October fundraising wasn’t enough to keep going on. > > Any predictions for who’s next to drop and how many more we will get before the end of 2019? Obviously, the holidays are awful for political fundraising as people are busy with plans and tuning out the news. Plus, most donations are going to charities, not the non-deductible political campaigns. > > Might be a bit of a stretch but I think Kamala Harris will drop out. Her campaign has been a mess, they’ve had to massively cut back staff and she just hasn’t been able to move in the polls. Hate to be an I told you so. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/35 "2019-12-03T18:17:20Z")
Here’s a link to Politico - [Kamala Harris Drops Out of Race](https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/03/kamala-harris-drops-out-out-of-presidential-race-074902) ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/36 "2019-12-03T18:18:54Z")
> **[Kamala Harris Dropping Out Of Presidential Race](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-harris-dropping-out_n_5de6a263e4b0913e6f8684bd?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063&utm_source=main_fb&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages)** > > The California senator struggled to gain traction in recent months. Link. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/37 "2019-12-03T18:33:17Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > You know what’s scary about the Dem race? _A **dozen** candidates have already dropped out_, and we’ve still got 16 left. 13 dropouts, 15 remaining. If it weren’t for Michael Bloomberg and Deval Patrick jumping in, we’d be up to .500. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/38 "2019-12-03T19:33:16Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > [Kamala Harris Dropping Out Of Presidential Race | HuffPost Latest News](http://huffp.st/JnX7sht) > > Link. Given her rapid descent into the single digits, I expected Harris to fade out and call it quits eventually, but I’m surprised that she’s doing it now; I figured she’d at least wait until the eve of the primaries just to see if she could pick up anyone else’s votes. It leads me to speculate that the pollsters have concluded that she’s never going to regain her mojo, and there must be some serious throat cutting within the campaign. I had read somewhere that Harris’ sister was the one who was essentially calling the shots (other than Kamala herself) and that this was beginning to be a real source of tension. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/39 "2019-12-03T19:48:24Z")
Given that Harris has dropped out, the other candidates who are scrubbing the floor with their poll numbers can’t be far behind, eh? Castro, Booker, Bennett gotta go sometime. I’m guessing the Klobuchar might be waiting for Biden to have a stroke so she can trot out her moderate credentials, but something tells me that as much as the Dems love to hat Mayor Mike’s ass, Bloomberg may be in a position to make some noise. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064/40 "2019-12-03T20:38:02Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Given her rapid descent into the single digits, I expected Harris to fade out and call it quits eventually, but I’m surprised that she’s doing it now; I figured she’d at least wait until the eve of the primaries just to see if she could pick up anyone else’s votes. It leads me to speculate that the pollsters have concluded that she’s never going to regain her mojo, and there must be some serious throat cutting within the campaign. I had read somewhere that Harris’ sister was the one who was essentially calling the shots (other than Kamala herself) and that this was beginning to be a real source of tension. It’s all about the money. I’m sure she was waiting to see how November fundraising came in. Harris had a large staff, although she’s been laying them off recently. She’s a sitting Senator from CA, she can’t just screw the staff over next payday when there’s not enough money. December sucks for political fundraising, and that next debate is way too close to Christmas to move the needle. So, she pulled the plug on a busy news day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-drop-outs-for-the-remainder-of-2019/844064.md?page=3)