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Look, why don’t you start a thread with examples of this behavior you say is rampant here.
It’s true, the Dems are putting stuff into the relief bill, and so are the GOPers.
And they are both wrong. We need to pass the damn thing.
BUT the Dems are putting stuff in that will help us all, while the GOP is putting stuff in to help themselves.
So I give the Dems a bit of a pass, but yeah, they need to concede some stuff to get this passed also.
The distinct lack of links is telling here. If you actually provided a link to details(and I’ve just read three different right-wing articles trying in vain to find details), your case might turn out to be a house of cards. But as long as you leave it vague, there’s your chance to claim victory because we don’t all immediately proclaim your wisdom.
tl;dr: cite?
What’s the democratic concept in play here? Never let a crisis go to waste?
Machiavelli can hardly be accused of being a democrat.
Definitely! That’s why they put in a $500 billion slush fund for the president to spend as he and Mnuchin sees fit. Those Dems! Never letting a crisis go to waste.
I’m apparently on the OP’s ignore list, so maybe someone else can ask him what (s)he thinks about whether the voting provisions are related to the pandemic.
What I heard (I got the list from a video) was “carbon offsets”. Every time I’ve ever seen or heard that term used it meant, effectively, “taxes” - “Pollute as you will, but pay the government for the privilege”.
No, I’m asking how said bailout “stops the spread of contagion”?
It means businesses and individuals will be less desperate and thus less likely to unwisely go back to work or otherwise stop social distancing, increasing the spread of the disease.
The bailout has two purposes. One is to support our medical system, in order to slow the contagion, and the other one is to prevent the economy from crashing, by supporting businesses hit badly by all the shelter orders (hotels, cruise companies, restaurants, arts, bars, etc., etc.). At some point, we’ll all be able to go back outside again, and we want those businesses to still exist when we do.
So, not every part of the bailout is to slow the contagion. Did you think that’s the only problem here? Have you noticed the mass layoffs, collapsing stock market, massive spikes in unemployment claims?
I can see both sides, when nobody is looking politicians tend to cram all kinds of shit into bills like this. I don’t want to see corporations make out like bandits with this: stock buybacks, CEO raises, lack of accountability of where the money is going, but I also think money for the arts, post office, environmental regulations should also not be included.
All those issues are important but this should be a streamlined bill that can take effect immediately, these other issues should be dealt with later so they can be argued on their merits and debated and fleshed out properly. People out of work need that money now.
We’re in a weird place where the significant negotiations right now aren’t happening between the House and Senate, but essentially between Senate Democrats and Trump. I’m almost unsure what Pelosi’s move is here–unless she’s trying to bring pressure to those negotiations, and/or give Trump a face-saving move, where he can say “I kept Democrats from passing a pork bill” when he passes the bill that Senate Dems really want.
I’m 99.9% sure the Kennedy Center is closed for the duration. How are they going to back to work?
This is a non sequitur, and unless you can very clearly explain how it relates to the conversation, it’d be lovely if everyone would drop it.
Everybody is looking. Everybody.
No. See post #23, where the poster asked whether “facilitating vote-by-mail has no relationship to curtailing the spread of contagion”.
Same question for funding an already closed performing arts center.
If their employees are desperate, they may go back to work with other jobs, and thus spread the disease.
As I mentioned, not every item in the stimulus package is about slowing contagion. Some of it is about keeping the economy alive during the pandemic and some of it is having an economy when the pandemic is over.
Do you only argue against positions you want to?
Given that “curtailing the spread of the contagion” is only one aspect of “coronavirus relief,” yeah, it is a non sequitur, and it should get dropped as such, apology optional.