# Democratic Madness, North Final: Biden/Gillibrand
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-north-final-biden-gillibrand/829793
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [February 18, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-north-final-biden-gillibrand/829793 "2019-02-18T21:40:28Z")
**Posts on this page:** 13
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### Author:  [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-north-final-biden-gillibrand/829793/1 "2019-02-18T21:40:28Z")
Pick one of these Democratic primary candidates:
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### Author:  [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-north-final-biden-gillibrand/829793/2 "2019-02-19T00:22:35Z")
Oh my _God_, is this an easy pick. See ya, Gillibrand. To quote _Hamilton_ (as everyone should): “ya best g’wan run back where ya came from.”
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### Author:  [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2019, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-north-final-biden-gillibrand/829793/3 "2019-02-19T01:55:45Z")
Biden, not even close. Gillinbrand still needs to suffer for the Franken knifing.
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### Author:  [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-north-final-biden-gillibrand/829793/4 "2019-02-19T03:25:32Z")
Uncle Joe is too damn old.
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### Author:  [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2019, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-north-final-biden-gillibrand/829793/5 "2019-02-19T03:57:06Z")
I like Biden, I really do, but I second **Folacin** –he’s too old. I also think the luster will wear off pretty quickly once he actually gets into the race, assuming he does.
I also like Gillibrand. I go back and forth on the Franken thing (curious to know whether those who reject Gillibrand because of it also reject Harris, who was one of the first to join forces with her), but it’s fair to say that one of her signature issues has been sexual assault in the military–hard for her to ignore this one under those circumstances. Anyway, Gillibrand has spent her time winning elections–winning pretty decisively in races that should be tossups or in which she should be the underdog, and winning overwhelmingly (in a very diverse state) in races that she should win.
Like 'em both, but for now I prefer Gillibrand.
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### Author:  [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2019, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-north-final-biden-gillibrand/829793/6 "2019-02-19T06:36:53Z")
Not hard for me. Gillibrand is somewhere at the top end of my fuzzily defined list and Biden is…not. (And every time I see someone carp about the Franken thing, she rises a notch higher.)
Uncle Joe can go out being remembered as a beloved fixture of the party who went on to valediction as Barack Obama’s vice president, or he can go out being remembered as the Senator from Visa who was a buddy of Strom Thurmond and put Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court. If he runs, it will be the latter. (I’ve said before that I wish he’d run in 2016 because his loss would have led to a much cleaner finish to that whole ordeal, and maybe Clinton wouldn’t have been bogged down by all the conspiracy idiots who think she stole the primaries.)
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### Author:  [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2019, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-north-final-biden-gillibrand/829793/7 "2019-02-19T07:36:32Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#):
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> Uncle Joe can go out being remembered as a beloved fixture of the party who went on to valediction as Barack Obama’s vice president, or he can go out being remembered as the Senator from Visa who was a buddy of Strom Thurmond and put Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court. If he runs, it will be the latter.
Please!
Nobody under thirty knows or cares who Strom Thurmond was.
The litany of high-society misdeeds in the news over the past few years makes Clarence Thomas look like Mr. Rogers.
Yeah, he’d face an uphill battle going against Trump, but so would anyone else. I don’t think he deserves to be written off like this.
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### Author:  [@Pithily\_Effusive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pithily_Effusive)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2019, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-north-final-biden-gillibrand/829793/8 "2019-02-20T00:21:03Z")
no - _The Burn is on_.
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### Author:  [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2019, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-north-final-biden-gillibrand/829793/9 "2019-02-20T00:24:25Z")
> [@Pithily\_Effusive](#):
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> no - _The Burn is on_.
Why are you posting the exact same thing in multiple threads?
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### Author:  [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2019, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-north-final-biden-gillibrand/829793/10 "2019-02-20T00:30:02Z")
I like Gillibrand, but the mission here is to deal with the assumption that Trump is on the ballot in 2020 and not in jail, and to prevent another four years of disaster. From that standpoint Uncle Joe is a better bet than what, to many people, would be “Kirsten who?”.
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### Author:  [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2019, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-north-final-biden-gillibrand/829793/11 "2019-02-20T05:49:52Z")
Joe Biden looks retired to me. He has even taken money to campaign for a Republican officeholder.
I’d take KG over him, easily.
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### Author:  [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-north-final-biden-gillibrand/829793/12 "2019-02-20T19:43:41Z")
Don’t much care for either, voted Gillebrand because she isn’t ancient.
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### Author:  [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2019, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-north-final-biden-gillibrand/829793/13 "2019-02-20T20:17:26Z")
I voted Gillibrand. I like them both but it does seem like Biden’s career has run its course. That, and I think Gillibrand’s bulldog approach is more in line with the moment that the aw shucks Uncle Joe approach. Still, it is so early and I am paying so little attention to 2020 that it would be easy to change my mind.
If I could, I would vote “don’t eliminate either of them yet.”