# Democratic Madness: The Finals!
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-the-finals/830184
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [February 25, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-the-finals/830184 "2019-02-25T17:18:07Z")
**Posts on this page:** 12
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### Author:  [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2019, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-the-finals/830184/21 "2019-02-26T04:30:11Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#):
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> State of the Democratic Party… based on a march madness style poll voted on by 50ish people.
_Yeah._ Bogus and worthless. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2019, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-the-finals/830184/22 "2019-02-26T04:34:14Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#):
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> Is that why Harris is fairing well here? …
Nope.
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### Author:  [@LoneRhino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LoneRhino)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2019, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-the-finals/830184/23 "2019-02-26T05:31:17Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> So is he opposed to universal health care, or just M4A?
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> Because personally I don’t give a tinker’s damn just **how** we cover everybody, so long as we do it. And there are good, solid, wonky reasons to think M4A is far less than an ideal way. M4A has become quite the fetish object, but I think lefties need to realize UHC by any means is good.
I think that for a lot of liberals, including myself, medicare for all is more or less a code for UHC. The result is more important than the method.
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### Author:  [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2019, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-the-finals/830184/24 "2019-02-26T06:37:04Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> So is he opposed to universal health care, or just M4A?
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> Because personally I don’t give a tinker’s damn just **how** we cover everybody, so long as we do it. And there are good, solid, wonky reasons to think M4A is far less than an ideal way. M4A has become quite the fetish object, but I think lefties need to realize UHC by any means is good.
Apparently he was “for” single-payer until it started looking possible & now is against it, preferring a “Medicare buy-in.” That’s not universal.
I am _done_ with Sherrod Brown.
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### Author:  [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2019, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-the-finals/830184/25 "2019-02-26T06:42:04Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#):
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> Apparently he was “for” single-payer until it started looking possible & now is against it, preferring a “Medicare buy-in.” That’s not universal.
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> I am _done_ with Sherrod Brown.
No, again, he is in favor of single-payer health insurance. He has been for quite some time. Right now, he’s looking for a compromise, rather than a bill that wont pass the senate and would get vetoed even if it did.
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### Author:  [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2019, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-the-finals/830184/26 "2019-02-26T07:06:09Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> Because personally I don’t give a tinker’s damn just **how** we cover everybody, so long as we do it.
And I think a lot of people are severely underrating the possibility that there simply won’t be an ability to pass _any_ big legislation at all, in which case all the arguments over what form the massive healthcare overhaul should take will all be in vain. Legislatively, it doesn’t really matter who is president if Joe Manchin is the 50th vote in the Senate (which is arguably one of the _better_ outcomes for Democrats).
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### Author:  [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2019, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-the-finals/830184/27 "2019-02-26T11:05:55Z")
> [@DrDeth](#):
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> _Yeah._ Bogus and worthless. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Not exactly a scientific survey but the wisdom of this crowd method did pretty well with its predictions in the midterm contest. “We” have a person who is not even announced and who barely registers on most polls in our final. He’s my (by a nose) preferred candidate but I am actually quite surprised and I am not sure what it says about the wisdom of this crowd.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2019, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-the-finals/830184/28 "2019-02-26T14:58:52Z")
“Medicare for all” is getting a lot of talk because it’s viewed as the most politically feasible way to get single-payer health care. Medicare is hugely popular across the political spectrum, so framing single-payer as an expansion of Medicare makes it look more popular to the people, even though there are other ways of getting the same effect that are much less popular.
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### Author:  [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-the-finals/830184/29 "2019-02-28T16:38:07Z")
I’m a bit late to this thread so i’ll just note a few items.
> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> Now you can take that crap and shove it.
This is not appropriate for this forum. Please resist the urge to lash out.
> [@WillFarnaby](#):
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> The pleas copped during this campaign will break records.
> [@WillFarnaby](#):
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> I guess the dems see that jackboots are in fashion so they follow the trend.
Perhaps I am missing something or this is just too cool for school, but my tolerance of these types of pithy content free snark is waning. If you want to continue in this vein your signal to noise ratio in general is going to need to dramatically improve.
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### Author:  [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)
#### Post date: [March 1, 2019, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-the-finals/830184/30 "2019-03-01T15:05:03Z")
Any bets on whether or not the SD March Madness winner will ever throw his hat in the ring? I’m beginning to think he doesn’t have the fire in his belly (remember Colin Powell when he was worth thinking about?) for it.
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### Author:  [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)
#### Post date: [March 1, 2019, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-the-finals/830184/31 "2019-03-01T15:55:59Z")
It is ironic that the Doper’s Choice hasn’t even declared yet.
It’s also troubling that the number of votes in the finals is half the votes in the first round. Hope it doesn’t work that way for real.
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### Author:  [@LoneRhino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LoneRhino)
#### Post date: [March 1, 2019, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-madness-the-finals/830184/32 "2019-03-01T16:09:28Z")
> [@jsc1953](#):
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> It is ironic that the Doper’s Choice hasn’t even declared yet.
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> It’s also troubling that the number of votes in the finals is half the votes in the first round. Hope it doesn’t work that way for real.
My guess is that as people’s favorite lost they stopped caring about this poll. It’s probably (hopefully) not going to happen in the election.
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