# Democratic operative: "we need to learn how to talk to White voters" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 6, 2014, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842 "2014-11-06T02:52:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/161 "2014-11-12T18:41:13Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Yes, it is. Well I guess we’re at an impasse here then. I simply do not believe that you’ve never heard of the Democratic Party. You know that you are in the Elections forum right? How do you expect to keep up with the discussions here if you are totally ignorant about the existence of one of the two major parties in the US? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/162 "2014-11-12T18:59:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Big cities happen to be more Democratic, and they happen to have more crime. **The shootings don’t happen because cities are Democratic** – they happen because they’re cities. And for many or most of these incidents, there’s a serious demographic problem with the police force in which it doesn’t come close to matching the population. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I didn’t say they are more democratic, I said they’re more Democratic – they have more Democrats. > [@Airbeck](#): > > Well I guess we’re at an impasse here then. > > I simply do not believe that you’ve never heard of the Democratic Party. > > You know that you are in the Elections forum right? How do you expect to keep up with the discussions here if you are totally ignorant about the existence of one of the two major parties in the US? (Bold and underline added) The question isn’t whether I’ve heard of the Democrat Party. I have. The question was the use of the word “Democratic” as it was used in **iiandyiiii’s** post. _Big cities happen to be more Democratic, and they happen to have more crime. The shootings don’t happen because cities are Democratic –_ Democracy isn’t practiced solely in big cities. Even rural area’s are known to practice that form of government. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/163 "2014-11-12T19:01:47Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (Bold and underline added) > > The question isn’t whether I’ve heard of the Democrat Party. I have. The question was the use of the word “Democratic” as it was used in **iiandyiiii’s** post. > > \*Big cities happen to be more Democratic, and they happen to have more crime. \*_The shootings don’t happen because cities are Democratic –_ > > Democracy isn’t practiced solely in big cities. Even rural area’s are known to practice that form of government. Both of my uses of the word “Democratic” were referring to the political party. This should have been obvious, because it was capitalized. I was not referring to “democracy”, I was referring to the Democratic party, as in “most cities have a higher percentage of voters who support the Democratic party compared to rural areas”. Now that this has been cleared up, we can probably move on. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/164 "2014-11-12T19:10:51Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (Bold and underline added) > > The question isn’t whether I’ve heard of the Democrat Party. I have. The question was the use of the word “Democratic” as it was used in **iiandyiiii’s** post. > > _Big cities happen to be more Democratic, and they happen to have more crime. The shootings don’t happen because cities are Democratic –_ > > Democracy isn’t practiced solely in big cities. Even rural area’s are known to practice that form of government. Please. Don’t insult everyone’s intelligence like that. The party is called the Democratic Party. Areas that have more Republican representation are called Republican areas. Areas with more Democratic representation are called Democratic areas. Republican and Democratic are both adjectives. Democrat is a noun. Did you ever study basic English grammar in elementary school? Did you get the difference between a noun and an adjective? But what am I doing, of course you know all of this, and you are just acting ignorant and using the infantile and grammatically incorrect terminology because you think its funny, or you think it pisses liberals off. It also prevents adult conversation from taking place, but then maybe that’s what you want too since you’ve taken the thread away from the original topic. If you want to participate in adult conversations, then please communicate like an adult. The SDMB is supposed to be better than this childish playground fingers-in-the-ears crap. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/165 "2014-11-12T19:30:10Z")
By the way **Doorhinge** , the title of this very thread that you are posting in right now uses the word Democratic in the exact same way that **iiandyiiii** used it when you took objection and claimed to be confused by it. The word is used in the very same way, yet you claim never to have heard it before. May I ask how you got into this thread and started posting to it without ever reading the title? Or did I just miss the part where you asked the OP what his title meant? It must have been horribly confusing to you. How did you even know what the thread would be about when the title was using such unfamiliar language? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/166 "2014-11-12T19:47:22Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Please. Don’t insult everyone’s intelligence like that. The party is called the Democratic Party. Areas that have more Republican representation are called Republican areas. Areas with more Democratic representation are called Democratic areas. Republican and Democratic are both adjectives. Democrat is a noun. Did you ever study basic English grammar in elementary school? Did you get the difference between a noun and an adjective? > > But what am I doing, of course you know all of this, and **you are just acting ignorant and using the infantile and grammatically incorrect terminology because you think its funny, or you think it pisses liberals off**. It also prevents adult conversation from taking place, but then maybe that’s what you want too since you’ve taken the thread away from the original topic. > > If you want to participate in adult conversations, then **please communicate like an adult**. **The SDMB is supposed to be better than this childish playground fingers-in-the-ears crap**. > [@Airbeck](#): > > …You know that you are in the Elections forum right? (post shortened. Bold and underline added) Is the Election forum the place where you’re not supposed to resort to personal attacks? I agree with you that the terms Republican and Democratic are both adjectives. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/167 "2014-11-12T19:53:09Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened. Bold and underline added) > > Is the Election forum the place where you’re not supposed to resort to personal attacks? > > I agree with you that the terms Republican and Democratic are both adjectives. Do you agree with Merriam-Webster that “Democratic” can be used as the adjective form of the political party, as used by me and the title of this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/168 "2014-11-12T20:00:35Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened. Bold and underline added) > > Is the Election forum the place where you’re not supposed to resort to personal attacks? > > I agree with you that the terms Republican and Democratic are both adjectives. Nothing you quoted is a personal attack. It is a description of what you are doing when you pretend you’ve never heard the word Democratic used as an adjective … when it is used that way in the **title of the thread in which you make the claim.** You’ve put yourself in a glass house by claiming something that the thread title proves not to be true. I’d watch where you are tossing those stones. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/169 "2014-11-12T20:17:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Do you agree with Merriam-Webster that “Democratic” can be used as the adjective form of the political party, as used by me and the title of this thread? I agree that using an adjective the way you chose to use it was confusing. That Webster guy was supposed to be OK but I heard that Merriam could be a real pain in the butt. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/170 "2014-11-12T20:22:27Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I agree that using an adjective the way you chose to use it was confusing. Who are you agreeing with? And how was using “Democratic” in the same way as the title of the thread confusing? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/171 "2014-11-12T20:23:06Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Nothing you quoted is a personal attack. It is a description of what you are doing when you pretend you’ve never heard the word Democratic used as an adjective … when it is used that way in the **title of the thread in which you make the claim.** > > You’ve put yourself in a glass house by claiming something that the thread title proves not to be true. I’d watch where you are tossing those stones. The word Democratic is, and has always been, an adjective. I said its use in this thread was new to me. You say it isn’t. Who am I supposed to believe, you or my lying eyes? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/172 "2014-11-12T20:23:18Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I agree that using an adjective the way you chose to use it was confusing. Very mature style of debate. Were you confused by the thread title as well? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/173 "2014-11-12T20:24:30Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The word Democratic is, and has always been, an adjective. > > I said its use in this thread was new to me. You say it isn’t. Who am I supposed to believe, you or my lying eyes? :smack: When you said it was new to you, the thread itself was already multiple pages long, and it was used the same way in the **TITLE OF THE THREAD!** Will you please address this point already, or just drop this whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/174 "2014-11-12T20:27:33Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The word Democratic is, and has always been, an adjective. When capitalized, this adjective is often used as the adjective version of the political party (as in the thread title). > [@](#): > > I said its use in this thread was new to me. You say it isn’t. Who am I supposed to believe, you or my lying eyes? :smack: You’ve used (and quoted) “Democratic” as the adjective form of the political party yourself in prior posts – so no, it’s not believeable that this is “new” to you: > [@Colorado Recall Elections](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorado-recall-elections/668555/305): > > In more recent history, it’s the Democrat Party that pushed for the useless assault weapons ban and repeatedly tried to expand the useless assault weapons ban and to reinstate the useless assault weapons ban. > > \*Congressional Democrats, led by Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, have reintroduced a bill that would ban assault weapons despite opposition in the Republican-led House and the reluctance of some Senate Democrats. > > Feinstein wrote the original assault weapons ban, which became law in 1994 and expired in 2004. Democratic Reps. Carolyn McCarthy of New York and Ed Perlmutter of Colorado will lead the effort to push the bill through the House.\* > > [Democrats reintroduce assault weapons ban](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/01/24/assault-weapons-ban-feinstein-democrats/1861493/) > > The bill failed because the Democrat Party fails to understand that support for the 2nd crosses all of the usual lines of political and social opposition. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/175 "2014-11-12T20:28:40Z")
**Airbeck, doorhinge** , both of you knock off the personal remarks. If you want to squabble with each other, take it to the Pit. No warnings issued. **twickster** , Elections moderator ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/176 "2014-11-12T20:31:02Z")
Another post by **doorhinge** in which he uses a quote with “Democratic” as the adjective form of the political party: > [@Did Christie (or his staff) intentionally cause the Fort Lee traffic jam?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/403): > > The only thing the anti-Christie side has to prove is the Christie was ACTUALLY involved in the Ft Lee tollbooth lane reductions. Since they can’t seem to be able to do that, they appear to be grasping at any and every straw they see. > > Your linked article appears to be a defense of the lame efforts mounted by the entertainers on MSNBC. Written by an MSNBC employee. What’s the MSNBC motto? “Just 'cause we can’t prove it, doesn’t mean it’s not what we say it is.” > > _Republicans – from major donors to the conservative base – are deeply skeptical of MSNBC, believing it represents an offshoot of the Democratic party. (Full disclosure: I am under contract with MSNBC and occasionally guest-host for Chuck Todd and Andrea Mitchell._ > > MSNBC should register as a DNC public relations firm. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/177 "2014-11-12T20:32:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Who are you agreeing with? And how was using “Democratic” in the same way as the title of the thread confusing? The term “Democratic operative” as used in the OP describes an operative who was a former WH spin doctor/spokesmodel for the Obama administration. What kind of operative? A Democratic operative. You forgot to add a noun to your use of the adjective. A shortcut perhaps? (didn’t see **twickster** suggestion until after I had posted.) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/178 "2014-11-12T20:38:13Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The term “Democratic operative” as used in the OP describes an operative who was a former WH spin doctor/spokesmodel for the Obama administration. What kind of operative? A Democratic operative. Right – an operative for the Democratic party. > [@](#): > > You forgot to add a noun to your use of the adjective. A shortcut perhaps? There was a noun: cities. It was proper english – “cities are more Democratic”… meaning that cities have more voters who support the Democratic party. Just like “cities are crowded” – “crowded” describes cities. Since I’ve shown that you’ve used “Democratic” in past threads in the same way as this thread title and my usage, I think we can conclude that this is not in fact “new” to you. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/179 "2014-11-12T21:17:39Z")
Re: Democratic vs. democratic Win or lose, this is one of the most tedious and uninteresting arguments I’ve ever seen on the Dope. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842/180 "2014-11-13T21:36:02Z")
Then bumping it makes perfect sense. Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-operative-we-need-to-learn-how-to-talk-to-white-voters/703842.md?page=10)