# Democratic Party Presidential Primary Calendar -SC now first (edited title) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 9, 2019, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581 "2019-12-09T02:35:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/121 "2022-12-06T01:23:13Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Good on the DNC. Iowa shat the bed so badly last time that they don’t deserve first place anymore. IA and NH have too little minority population to keep going first- the nominee should be someone who can carry big states with diverse populations. Why do liberals have this fetish for “diversity”? And why does it almost always mean racial diversity only, instead of economic, geographic, educational, or some other kind of diversity? I’m very happy that the GOP is not participating in this lunacy. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/122 "2022-12-06T01:36:54Z")
I can’t speak for all liberals, but this one thinks it’s important for the nominee to represent the entire country, and giving disproportionate say in the nomination process to two of the whitest and most rural states in the country doesn’t accomplish that. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/123 "2022-12-06T01:38:13Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > And why does it almost always mean racial diversity only, instead of economic, geographic, educational, or some other kind of diversity? It pretty much always means those things to some degree, although race, gender, sexual orientation, and religion are usually the big ones where people feels its important to have balanced representation. The idea that it’s “always” racial diversity isn’t supportable. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/124 "2022-12-06T02:51:31Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > Why do liberals have this fetish for “diversity”? In this particular case there’s a practical reason to want to have the state that goes first, with all the outsized power that goes with that, to demographically resemble the Democratic electorate as whole. It’s not diversity for the sake of diversity. It’s diversity to get an accurate read on the party’s voters preferences. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/125 "2022-12-06T04:34:10Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > You appear to have confused Iowa with Idaho. Also, Sanders (not Biden) and Buttigieg tied for the delegate lead in Iowa. You are correct on the fist, but according to this, Biden got 14. Pete 12, Sanders 9. > **[2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries)** > > Hillary Clinton > Joe Biden Unless I am reading it wrong? > [@Bootb](#): > > I’m very happy that the GOP is not participating in this lunacy. Yeah, in 2020 they just decided to _not even bother with a Primary,_ so that trumpski would have no challengers. That is sooo much better, right? 🙄 In February 2019, the Republican National Committee voted to provide undivided support to Trump.[[5]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries#cite_note-undivided-7)[[6]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries#cite_note-8) Several states canceled their primaries and caucuses.[[7]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries#cite_note-apsept7-9) Other states were encouraged to use “[winner-takes-all](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality_voting)” or “winner-takes-most” systems to award delegates instead of using proportional allocation.[[8]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries#cite_note-AP20190920-10)[[9]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries#cite_note-11) ---
**Author:** ![GWF\_Hefel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/898d66/32.png) [@GWF\_Hefel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GWF_Hefel)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/126 "2022-12-06T04:59:20Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > Why do liberals have this fetish for “diversity”? Perhaps it has something to do with how much the White Males who have run things for 200+ years have fucked up not only this country but have spread their shit out amongst the rest of the world. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/127 "2022-12-06T15:03:31Z")
Why do republicans have a fetish for whiteness? Ever see a pic of Trump’s cabinet? Yeah, that’s America. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/128 "2022-12-06T15:06:49Z")
Well, that is admittedly confusing. If you peruse footnote [e], it appears that, although Bernie and Pete won the most delegates on caucus night, those delegates aren’t _officially_ awarded until the results are certified by the Iowa Democratic Convention in June, by which time Biden had already clinched the nomination and nobody was paying attention. The Convention, for some reason, decided to transfer some delegates from other candidates to Biden in a manner which Wikipedia notes “did not appear to follow any logical rule pattern”. So in the end, Biden wound up with the most delegates, despite finishing fourth. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/129 "2022-12-06T15:33:46Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > I’m very happy that the GOP is not participating in this lunacy. Shouldn’t the GOP be even more annoyed about Iowa, though? The Republican caucus is dominated by dour religious scolds who vote for unelectable bores like Ted Cruz and Rick Santorum. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/130 "2022-12-06T15:37:58Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > And why does it almost always mean racial diversity only, instead of economic, geographic, educational, or some other kind of diversity? Are you under the impression that South Carolina is richer than Iowa? Not to mention we already have another Midwestern early primary in Michigan. Seems like SC-NV-NH-MI is pretty geographically diverse for the first four. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/131 "2022-12-06T19:47:57Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Well, that is admittedly confusing. I am with you there. Kinda weird. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/132 "2022-12-06T20:15:35Z")
I’m all for removing Iowa and New Hampshire from their first positions. South Carolina does seem like a good choice to go first. I’d go further with embracing diversity, though, and make four states with different demographics all go first. In addition to South Caroline, I think Arizona, Michigan, and Massachusetts would be good states to kick things off. There would be diversity in having Blacks, Latinos, Muslims, Catholics, working class voters, as well as the upper middle class and wealthy white people from urban and suburban areas, and a chance to reward two states that are trending blue and have done a lot of the heavy lifting for Democrats in national elections. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/133 "2022-12-06T20:39:54Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > Why do liberals have this fetish for “diversity”? Because we believe bigotry is wrong. You can’t have fair representation if a single demographic dominates. You can’t create a coalition if only the cares of a certain demographic matter. And we don’t just mean racial diversity. It includes sexual diversity, gender diversity, religious diversity, etc. And there is some level of ideological diversity. But you can’t go all in on that, because it is actually possible to have wrong/evil ideas. It’s not possible to be the wrong sex/race/etc. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/134 "2022-12-06T23:04:06Z")
I think it’s good to have the first few States be small, so that it isn’t prohibitively expensive to get a campaign off the ground. Really, I think Iowa is the problem here. Two of the four States that already vote first, SC and NV, give you minority representation and represent the South and West. Take away Iowa and replace it with Wisconsin, a Midwestern State that has a diverse economy, a significant Black population and is a swing State. Then you keep New Hampshire in the Northeast; it’s very white, but it’s also a swing State. And IIRC it’s the least religious State, and secularists are certainly an important part of the base. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/135 "2022-12-06T23:24:08Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And there is some level of ideological diversity. But you can’t go all in on that, because it is actually possible to have wrong/evil ideas. Yeah, ideological diversity is a bad thing. Everyone SHOULD subscribe to liberal ideals. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/136 "2022-12-07T04:39:56Z")
First of all Iowa doesn’t have an _election-_ they have a very undemocratic _caucus._ Nor does the winner of that caucus usually win the election- > **[Do Iowa caucus winners become president? History shows mixed results.](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/do-iowa-caucus-winners-become-president-history-shows-mixed-results)** > > As history shows, it’s an open question how much influence the first nominating contest really has. _Ultimately, winning the Iowa caucuses still means winning just one early battle, and may not directly translate to winning the general election. Only three of the seven U.S. presidents since 1976 won their Iowa caucuses: Democrats Jimmy Carter in 1976, Barack Obama in 2008, and Republican George W. Bush in 2000._ ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/137 "2022-12-07T04:50:44Z")
Yes, Dems should be more like Pubs . . . just look at all the ideological diversity they have. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/138 "2022-12-07T05:08:34Z")
Right, because Senators Blackburn and Murkowski have the same political ideology. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/139 "2022-12-07T05:22:08Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > I think it’s good to have the first few States be small, so that it isn’t prohibitively expensive to get a campaign off the ground. Really, I think Iowa is the problem here. Two of the four States that already vote first, SC and NV, give you minority representation and represent the South and West. Take away Iowa and replace it with Wisconsin, a Midwestern State that has a diverse economy, a significant Black population and is a swing State. Then you keep New Hampshire in the Northeast; it’s very white, but it’s also a swing State. And IIRC it’s the least religious State, and secularists are certainly an important part of the base. I agree with this. And i think New Hampshire has done a good job, unlike Iowa. New Hampshire is small enough that a candidate doesn’t need an enormous war chest to run there. You don’t hear about the subsidies New Hampshire industries have been promised. The New Hampshire electorate takes their job very seriously, and they really study the candidates, try to meet them, and are generally extremely educated as voters. Yes, it’s very white. But it’s also one of the purpler states in the North East, and there’s a lot to be said for giving moderates a leg up. I don’t have a strong opinion on the relative advantages of Michigan vs. Wisconsin, but either has got to be better than Iowa as the first Midwestern state. Iowa is deep red, and runs a crazy caucus that many working people and people with kids can’t attend, and that even the participants don’t understand. And they botched it badly. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/140 "2022-12-07T12:25:56Z")
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