# Democratic Party Presidential Primary Calendar -SC now first (edited title) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 9, 2019, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581 "2019-12-09T02:35:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/141 "2022-12-08T22:18:59Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I agree with this. And i think New Hampshire has done a good job, unlike Iowa. New Hampshire is small enough that a candidate doesn’t need an enormous war chest to run there. You don’t hear about the subsidies New Hampshire industries have been promised. The New Hampshire electorate takes their job very seriously, and they really study the candidates, try to meet them, and are generally extremely educated as voters. New Hampshire residents may like to pat themselves on the back while saying those things, but there’s no reason to think any other state wouldn’t take it just as seriously and do just as well. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/142 "2022-12-08T22:24:25Z")
Well, Iowa didn’t. And most states are too large to mount a significant campaign without it being all about the money. Nearby Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, and New Jersey all require a lot more money, and are really too large for a candidate to meet any significant fraction of the electorate. I think there are some advantages to having an early state that can be campaigned in person, and not via media, or limited to paid-entry events. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/143 "2022-12-09T00:53:22Z")
People say this to support iowa and New Hampshire. I look at it from the opposite view. Allowing rural whites to be privileged to meet and spend time personally with candidates over urban blacks and all the other groups in the country is a travesty. It’s political apartheid. If we’re not out there demanding an end to this policy, doing so which costs absolutely nothing and doesn’t require country-wide agreement, then what else can we expect to accomplish. I didn’t expect to see even this bare minimum change, which should be a clue to my cynicism about other necessary changes. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/144 "2022-12-09T14:55:49Z")
Maybe the first state to vote should be Hawaii. It’s a lot more diverse than most small states. In practice, SOMEONE gets the privilege of having excessive influence over the start of the race. If we start in large states, the someone is people with lots of money. I’m not convinced it’s better to privilege massive wealth over rural whites. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/145 "2022-12-09T14:57:33Z")
(and, fwiw, i am not a rural voter, but i do have enough money to have been courted by campaigns, and to have attended events that have a large implicit price tag. So I’m not arguing for my personal interests here.) ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/146 "2022-12-09T18:56:44Z")
Money has been involved in politics for 200 hundred years. It’s not coming out. Complaints about the rich having too much influence also go back 200 years. The Democratic Party was formed in large part by workers angry at the eastern financiers, but then got taken over by August Belmont, one of the wealthiest men in the U.S. A generation went by before he stepped down. As soon as television took over media, political ads became dominant over personal appearances. Today ads flood every commercial break, but they are secondary to the internet, which spreads political messages in multiple forms, not all of them requiring money. That trend will only intensify in the future. Complain all you want but personal appearances are like newspapers. A case can be made for their necessity, but they are fading rapidly. Imagine a world in which newspapers were critical first influencers but sold only to white rural voters. People would be marching in the streets. The Iowa caucuses are that world. Kill them. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/147 "2022-12-09T21:45:38Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Right, because Senators Blackburn and Murkowski have the same political ideology. Probably more so than Warren and Manchin (or Sanders, but he only caucuses with the Democrats). ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/148 "2022-12-09T22:01:57Z")
Can’t have Hawaii, it’s the wrong kind of diversity for the Democrats activist base. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/149 "2022-12-10T21:09:37Z")
What the hell does that mean? What are you hinting at? ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581/150 "2022-12-11T12:28:45Z")
Opinion piece by Lucy Van Pelt: “Charlie Brown will regret no longer playing football with me” > **[Opinion | Want to Know Why Democrats Lose Rural America?](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/11/opinion/democrats-iowa-caucus.html)** > > Telling Iowa to get lost is not a great way to mend fences where the Democratic brand has become virtually unmarketable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-presidential-primary-calendar-sc-now-first-edited-title/844581.md?page=7)