# Democratic Party Sues Russia, Wikileaks, Trump Campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 20, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792 "2018-04-20T16:43:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/41 "2018-04-24T18:19:51Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > That’s not “obstruction of justice,” that’s “auditory hallucination.” Your imagination, whether healthy or medically concerning, is not cause to make accusations of criminal behavior. It was the DNC that filed this lawsuit. It is going to be awfully hard to argue that the Russians hacked their server without offering it up for examination. But with liberal judges, anything is possible I guess. But if a judge does order the DNC to hand over the servers, what do you think will happen? Seriously. Will they hand over the servers or will there be a mysterious fire at the headquarters? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/42 "2018-04-24T18:22:52Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > This lawsuit is going shine a light on the cockroaches of the DNC and it won’t be pretty. Must be projection. The GOP is the party of Kafka. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/43 "2018-04-24T18:27:19Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > It was the DNC that filed this lawsuit. It is going to be awfully hard to argue that the Russians hacked their server without offering it up for examination. Except, you know, the FBI very likely still has the mirrors of the hard drives, where all evidence of any hacking would be recorded. > [@LAZombie](#): > > But with liberal judges, anything is possible I guess. There seriously aren’t enough rolleye emojis for this statement. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/44 "2018-04-24T18:40:19Z")
If the FBI thought that there was anything relevant to be found on the servers that wasn’t on the mirrors, they would have already looked. So, in the event that the discovery phase of this lawsuit _doesn’t_ turn up any hitherto-unknown dirt on the Democrats, what will your reaction be then? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/45 "2018-04-24T19:26:07Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If the FBI thought that there was anything relevant to be found on the servers that wasn’t on the mirrors, they would have already looked. > > So, in the event that the discovery phase of this lawsuit _doesn’t_ turn up any hitherto-unknown dirt on the Democrats, what will your reaction be then? ‘deep state’ ---
**Author:** ![sweepkick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@sweepkick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sweepkick)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/46 "2018-04-24T19:26:40Z")
I find it oddly jarring these days that despite the fact that Conservatives currently hold the Presidency, the House, and the Senate, that everyone is _still_ out to get them, and that everything is _still_ a liberal conspiracy. Jesus guys, give it a rest. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/47 "2018-04-24T19:31:46Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > It was the DNC that filed this lawsuit. It is going to be awfully hard to argue that the Russians hacked their server without offering it up for examination. But with liberal judges, anything is possible I guess. But if a judge does order the DNC to hand over the servers, what do you think will happen? Seriously. Will they hand over the servers or will there be a mysterious fire at the headquarters? Stop watching Alex Jones and reading breitbart. It’s rotting your brain. And starting off a [del]republican[/del] zombie, you can’t afford to lose too much more brain. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/48 "2018-04-24T21:40:36Z")
> [@sweepkick](#): > > I find it oddly jarring these days that despite the fact that Conservatives currently hold the Presidency, the House, and the Senate, that everyone is _still_ out to get them, and that everything is _still_ a liberal conspiracy. > > Jesus guys, give it a rest. Yeah, it’s odd that the American people using the ballot box loudly and clearly demanded that the country take a different direction. They voted for Trump to" Build A Wall!" and yet our representatives refuse to do it. Repeal Obamacare. Our representatives refuse to do it. Issue after issue, our representatives refuse do what we send them to Washington to do. Think about that. The conspiracy is against the American people by elites, both liberal and conservative, who think they know better than the common man. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/49 "2018-04-24T22:17:42Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Yeah, it’s odd that the American people using the ballot box loudly and clearly demanded that the country take a different direction. You have a very different definition of “loudly and clearly” than reality has. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/50 "2018-04-24T22:28:32Z")
They didn’t build the wall because Trump lied about Mexico paying for it, and they don’t have any other funding source to do it with. And they didn’t repeal the ACA (which wasn’t quite as good as Obamacare) because the people decided that they wanted to send total incompetents into office who couldn’t pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/51 "2018-04-24T22:36:47Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Stop watching Alex Jones and reading breitbart. It’s rotting your brain. And starting off a [del]republican[/del] zombie, you can’t afford to lose too much more brain. This is a warning for personal insults. Address arguments presented and do not personalize your comments in this fashion. If you feel you must, the BBQ Pit is right around the corner. * * * This is also a general note to everyone else - please do not personalize comments about other poster’s intelligence, what they must be thinking, etc. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/52 "2018-04-24T22:48:39Z")
> [@](#): > > …Yeah, it’s odd that the American people using the ballot box loudly and clearly demanded that the country take a different direction. Say what you will, a landslide of minus three million is gonna be pretty hard to beat! GeeDubya’s awesome mandate of minus half a million was pretty impressive, but _this_! (Gotta wonder, what is the maximum size of a popular vote deficit that could still actually carry the Electoral? Is it even possible to beat three million?) ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/53 "2018-04-24T23:07:03Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It does exactly the wrong thing at the wrong time. It politicizes the legal/criminal investigation into the Trump crime family. > > The average person doesn’t give a toss about Russia and collusion; they just want more opportunity for economic growth. The president has been linked to economic growth in the mind of the average Ameritard over the last few decades. If the economy’s good, Trump wins and he could strangle someone on live TV and nobody would care. If the economy’s bad, he could feed children in Africa on live TV and nobody would care - they’d want him out even before the end of his term. > > It’s that simple, folks. You mean the average person doesn’t care if the the president commits treason? Was elected via the manipulations of a hostile foreign power? Just as long as his own beans are buttered he really doesn’t care at all? I think you are wrong. There are people who want to believe that a lying liar isn’t really lying – to them anyway – but that really isn’t the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/54 "2018-04-24T23:08:15Z")
> [@](#): > > (Gotta wonder, what is the maximum size of a popular vote deficit that could still actually carry the Electoral? Is it even possible to beat three million?) Theoretically, or realistically? Theoretically, you go down the list of largest states until you hit 270 EV, and win each of those by a 1 to 0 margin, then have all the rest go unanimously, 100% participation, for your opponent. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/55 "2018-04-24T23:36:45Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > The conspiracy is against the American people by elites, both liberal and conservative, who think they know better than the common man. So they elected a lying elitist con-man that has absolutely no desire to help the ‘common man’. Good job. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/56 "2018-04-25T00:55:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > (Gotta wonder, what is the maximum size of a popular vote deficit that could still actually carry the Electoral? Is it even possible to beat three million?) Messing around with numbers, here’s a scenario: The following 38 states go for the winning candidates by exactly 1 vote: Wyoming Vermont North Dakota Alaska Rhode Island South Dakota Delaware New Hampshire Maine Montana Hawaii West Virginia Nebraska Idaho New Mexico Nevada Kansas Utah Arkansas Mississippi Connecticut Iowa South Carolina Alabama Minnesota Kentucky Wisconsin Louisiana Washington Colorado Tennessee Maryland Indiana Arizona Missouri Massachusetts Michigan Georgia That’d be, using 2016 votes (roughly), 63,668,448 votes. Half of those, plus 38, is 31,834,262 votes. There were 138,281,440 votes cast. If I’m calculating correctly, that’d leave 106,447,178 votes cast by everyone else, meaning that the victor could lose the popular vote by 74,612,916 votes. I’m sure someone can finesse this even better, and it’s really possible I made an error in my finagling: I made a spreadsheet with population and EV, and ordered by the smallest ratio to the largest (thus Wyoming on top) and kept a running total of EV. At 284, I looked back at the list and subtracted Oregon and Oklahoma to get to an even 270. I cut the actual votes cast in each state in half and added 38 votes, and the rest I explained above. Of course you could get it even sillier by assuming that only a single person actually voted in each of those 38 states, and every eligible voter voted for the opponent in each of the remaining states–but then we’re getting ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/57 "2018-04-25T04:21:39Z")
You may very well be right! In fact, my confidence in your mathematical skills is such that I am willing to let it stand and withhold critical analysis. You’re welcome. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/58 "2018-04-25T04:24:45Z")
Of course! Why didn’t we see it before! Donald Trump is John Galt! The prophecy of St. Ayn of Leningrad! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792/59 "2018-04-25T05:16:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Of course! Why didn’t we see it before! Donald Trump is John Galt! The prophecy of St. Ayn of Leningrad! Only if someone gave him a series of daily three-minute discussions on the philosophy of Ayn Rand, for decades. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-party-sues-russia-wikileaks-trump-campaign/812792.md?page=2)