# Democratic Primary World Cup **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 28, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652 "2019-05-28T16:42:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/1 "2019-05-28T16:42:17Z")
A few months ago we had a fun [March Madness Style](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=870828) set of polls to see how the different candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination faired here. I’d like to run something similar, but this time in the style of the World Cup, which will be starting up in a couple weeks. This thread will be the main thread to collect results and for commentary. Match-up polls will be held as separate threads. Polling Question: If you were to vote in the Democratic Party presidential primary today with only these two candidates as options, who would you vote for? Candidate X Candidate Y Abstain For seeding, I am using the ordering from PredictIt as an estimate of the likelihood of each candidate winning the nomination. The seeding will be 1. Joe Biden 2. Bernie Sanders 3. Pete Buttigieg 4. Kamala Harris 5. Elizabeth Warren 6. Andrew Yang 7. Cory Booker 8. Beto O’Rourke 9. Tulsi Gabbard 10. Amy Klobuchar 11. Steve Bullock 12. Kirsten Gillibrand 13. Julian Castro 14. John Hickenlooper 15. Jay Inslee 16. John Delaney Following the World Cup method of round-robin group play before single elimination, the seeded groups are Group A 1. Joe Biden 2. Beto O’Rourke 3. Tulsi Gabbard 4. John Delaney Group B 2. Bernie Sanders 7. Cory Booker 10. Amy Klobuchar 15. Jay Inslee Group C 3. Pete Buttigieg 6. Andrew Yang 11. Steve Bullock 14. John Hickenlooper Group D 4. Kamala Harris 5. Elizabeth Warren 12. Kirsten Gillibrand 13. Julian Castro Each candidate will have a match-up against every other group member. First Round Match-ups 1 vs 16: Joe Biden vs John Delaney 8 vs 9: Beto O’Rourke vs Tulsi Gabbard 2 vs 15: Bernie Sanders vs Jay Inslee 7 vs 10: Cory Booker vs Amy Klobuchar 3 vs 14: Pete Buttigieg vs John Hickenlooper 6 vs 11: Andrew Yang vs Steve Bullock 4 vs 13: Kamala Harris vs Julian Castro 5 vs 12: Elizabeth Warren vs Kirsten Gillibrand Second Round Match-ups 1 vs 9: Joe Biden vs Tulsi Gabbard 8 vs 16: Beto O’Rourke vs John Delaney 2 vs 10: Bernie Sanders vs Amy Klobuchar 7 vs 15: Cory Booker vs Jay Inslee 3 vs 11: Pete Buttigieg vs Steve Bullock 6 vs 14: Andrew Yang vs John Hickenlooper 4 vs 12: Kamala Harris vs Kirsten Gillibrand 5 vs 13: Elizabeth Warren vs Julian Castro Third Round Match-ups 1 vs 8: Joe Biden vs Beto O’Rourke 9 vs 16: Tulsi Gabbard vs John Delaney 2 vs 7: Bernie Sanders vs Cory Booker 10 vs 15: Amy Klobuchar vs Jay Inslee 3 vs 6: Pete Buttigieg vs Andrew Yang 11 vs 14: Steve Bullock vs John Hickenlooper 4 vs 5: Kamala Harris vs Elizabeth Warren 12 vs 13: Kirsten Gillibrand vs Julian Castro Within each group, candidates will be ranked by the number of match-ups won. Tie-breaker will be most votes totalled over all match-ups. The winner and runner-up of each group will advance to the single-elimination stage. Fourth Round Match-ups Group-A-Winner vs Group-B-Runner-Up Group-B-Winner vs Group-A-Runner-Up Group-C-Winner vs Group-D-Runner-Up Group-D-Winner vs Group-C-Runner-Up Fifth Round Match-ups (Winner of AW vs BR) vs (Winner of DW vs CR) (Winner of BW vs AR) vs (Winner of CW vs DR) Sixth Round Match Winners of Fifth Round I will wait to start the match-ups until later this week when there’s been time for commentary and approval from the forum’s moderation. While there are problems with any type of polling system, I think this one has some interesting match-ups, while giving each candidate a fair shot. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/2 "2019-05-28T16:43:25Z")
I’m voting Andrew Yang and Kirstin Gilibrand. Edit: Oh OK I see. We’re supposed to vote in another thread later? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/3 "2019-05-28T16:51:40Z")
Which World Cup is starting soon? I know the Cricket World Cup starts soon, but it doesn’t use the same format as does football. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/4 "2019-05-28T17:11:40Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Which World Cup is starting soon? I know the Cricket World Cup starts soon, but it doesn’t use the same format as does football. Women’s World Cup (football). ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/5 "2019-05-28T17:34:08Z")
This seems cool. Go forth and be merry. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/6 "2019-05-28T17:37:54Z")
Interesting idea. Is there any way to go forward with it that won’t result in dozens of new threads being started in the Elections forum in a very short time? I found that to be a big nuisance with the previous try. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/7 "2019-05-28T17:58:53Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Interesting idea. Is there any way to go forward with it that won’t result in dozens of new threads being started in the Elections forum in a very short time? I found that to be a big nuisance with the previous try. He could start a poll with 32 options, paired by pair, allowing everyone to select multiple options. Everyone on their honor not to cheat. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/8 "2019-05-28T18:48:16Z")
I’ll back up Bone on this and say, “Go to it”. I’ll likely run the Election thing next year again. But this one looks like a chore. Two things I say to that: 1. Better you than me. 2. Thanks for taking this on. We all appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/9 "2019-05-28T19:16:42Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > He could start a poll with 32 options, paired by pair, allowing everyone to select multiple options. Everyone on their honor not to cheat. Sounds good. If it doesn’t work, then it could be started again with a different method. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/10 "2019-05-28T19:22:46Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > A few months ago we had a fun [March Madness Style](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=870828) set of polls to see how the different candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination faired here. I… No, it wasnt fun nor fair. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/11 "2019-05-28T20:07:40Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > He could start a poll with 32 options, paired by pair, allowing everyone to select multiple options. Everyone on their honor not to cheat. I considered that, but I see two problems. First, it dilutes the whole match up of one on one. Second, it’s too easy for an honest mistake. I’m willing to run the polls. They’ll fall of the front page quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/12 "2019-05-28T20:47:30Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No, it wasnt fun nor fair. That’s enough threadshitting, Deth. There are other people in the world besides yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/13 "2019-05-30T15:28:39Z")
First Round Polls [1 vs 16: Joe Biden vs John Delaney](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=876383) [8 vs 9: Beto O’Rourke vs Tulsi Gabbard](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=876384) [2 vs 15: Bernie Sanders vs Jay Inslee](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=876385) [7 vs 10: Cory Booker vs Amy Klobuchar](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=876386) [3 vs 14: Pete Buttigieg vs John Hickenlooper](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=876387) [6 vs 11: Andrew Yang vs Steve Bullock](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=876388) [4 vs 13: Kamala Harris vs Julian Castro](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=876389) [5 vs 12: Elizabeth Warren vs Kirsten Gillibrand](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=876390) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/14 "2019-05-30T15:54:42Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > He could start a poll with 32 options, paired by pair, allowing everyone to select multiple options. Everyone on their honor not to cheat. Yabbut, then they’d have to move the whole shootin’ match over to the Game Room… ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/15 "2019-05-30T19:27:12Z")
{Yawn} Just as with the actual World Cup these days, wake me up when we get to the Final. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/16 "2019-05-31T01:54:26Z")
Can this contest legitimately be called a “World Cup” if it only has American participants? Surely it should be a “World Series”, or “World Series Cup”, or similar? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/17 "2019-05-31T13:50:40Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Can this contest legitimately be called a “World Cup” if it only has American participants? Surely it should be a “World Series”, or “World Series Cup”, or similar? It is so named because the tournament format is styled after the Football World Cup that is going to be starting in about a week. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/18 "2019-05-31T16:35:29Z")
Responding to complaints raised [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=876433), maybe for future rounds it would be better to have a single thread for each round. Where the polls would be 1. Joe Biden over John Delaney 2. John Delaney over Joe Biden 3. Beto O’Rourke over Tulsi Gabbard 4. Tulsi Gabbard over Beto O’Rourke etc. Allowing multiple votes. This would serve the same purpose but not dominate the entire forum through three rounds of round-robin and a total of 31 threads. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/19 "2019-06-03T21:52:13Z")
First Round Results Group A Joe Biden over John Delaney 43-11 Beto O’Rourke over Tulsi Gabbard 55-15 Group B Jay Inslee over Bernie Sanders 38-23 Amy Klobuchar over Cory Booker 36-26 Group C Pete Buttigieg over John Hickenlooper 54-23 Steve Bullock over Andrew Yang 34-15 Group D Kamala Harris over Julian Castro 51-10 Elizabeth Warren over Kirsten Gillibrand 51-13 Standings Group A 1. Beto O’Rourke, 1-0 matches, 55 votes total 2. Joe Biden, 1-0, 43 3. Tulsi Gabbard, 0-1, 15 4. John Delaney, 0-1, 11 Group B 1. Jay Inslee, 1-0 matches, 38 votes total 2. Amy Klobuchar, 1-0, 36 3. Cory Booker, 0-1, 26 4. Bernie Sanders, 0-1, 23 Group C 1. Pete Buttigieg, 1-0 matches, 54 votes total 2. Steve Bullock, 1-0, 34 3. John Hickenlooper, 0-1, 23 4. Andrew Yang, 0-1, 15 Group D 1T. Elizabeth Warren, 1-0 matches, 51 votes total 1T. Kamala Harris, 1-0, 51 3. Kirsten Gillibrand, 0-1, 13 4. Julian Castro, 0-1, 10 ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652/20 "2019-06-03T22:05:20Z")
[Combined Second Round](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=876603). If this is comprehensible, I’ll stick with the combined format. Otherwise back to the individual polls. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democratic-primary-world-cup/834652.md?page=2)