# Democrats expect to win control of Wisconsin State Senate **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 6, 2012, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256 "2012-06-06T07:36:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/21 "2012-06-06T14:48:16Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Every once in a while a particularly juvenile response highlights posters with little substance to contribute. > > A legitimate question is asked, yet the response hovers around the level of Glen Beck. “Punish success” is particularly sophomoric, yet the poster’s slavish adherence to such inanities suggests it’s particularly successful. The rest is, well, an embarrassment. But I guess FoxNation can’t be the only place to post. > > ☹ :rolleyes: Just because you do not like the answer does not make it invalid. And way to go with the lame ass attempt to tie me to Beck and Fox News. Be sure to clean that broad brush thoroughly. I’m sure you’ll want to paint with it again sometime. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/22 "2012-06-06T14:58:30Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > :rolleyes: > > Just because you do not like the answer does not make it invalid. And way to go with the lame ass attempt to tie me to Beck and Fox News. Be sure to clean that broad brush thoroughly. I’m sure you’ll want to paint with it again sometime. Uh, you believe there is a death tax. I’m pretty sure that’s _invalid_. Unless you mean the inheritance tax, which is a tax when money changes hands. Just like when you get your paycheck. Never mind that it’s lower. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/23 "2012-06-06T15:02:17Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > :rolleyes: > > Just because you do not like the answer does not make it invalid. And way to go with the lame ass attempt to tie me to Beck and Fox News. Be sure to clean that broad brush thoroughly. I’m sure you’ll want to paint with it again sometime. It’s not the answer I don’t like per se, it’s the utter lack of substance or thought. Or maybe it’s the overuse of made-up cliches. Maybe it’s the demonstrable lack of substance. To write such nonsense and then use ‘broad brush’ in a post is pretty much the essence of what I said. I apologize for tying you to Fox news. I’m sure you came up with such pithy ideas as a death tax or that Democrats secretly want to steal your guns all on your own. It’s just a coincidence that such ridiculous talking points are also prominently pushed by the media arm of the republican party. Since your analytical abilities hover so close to theirs to the point of unintentional and coincidental mimicry, perhaps you should contact them for writing assignments. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/24 "2012-06-06T15:03:34Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Uh, you believe there is a death tax. I’m pretty sure that’s _invalid_. > > Unless you mean the inheritance tax, which is a tax when money changes hands. Just like when you get your paycheck. Never mind that it’s lower. Yes, but what about the relentless push by Democrats to overturn the Second Amendment and confiscate all privately owned guns? You can’t say he doesn’t have a point _there_. It’s right there in the Democratic party platform somewhere, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/25 "2012-06-06T15:05:06Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Uh, you believe there is a death tax. I’m pretty sure that’s _invalid_. > > Unless you mean the inheritance tax, which is a tax when money changes hands. Just like when you get your paycheck. Never mind that it’s lower. Obviously I use the derisive term “death tax” to refer to what you cal the “inheritance tax” and is also called an “estate tax”. But yay for your pedantic nitpickery without a substantive point. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/26 "2012-06-06T15:08:20Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Typical Democrats/progressives want to punish success and redistribute wealth. I oppose the Death Tax, and support the Second Amendment. That pretty much eliminates many Dems from consideration as my candidate of choice. You’re confusing typical Democrats with fantasy boogeymen Democrats. If you do have integrity, I would suggest you actually examine these issues. If you want to be a strong partisan voter with a false veneer of independent thinking, that’s a different matter altogether. Additionally: Didn’t Reagan require an income tax? Didn’t Bush I and Bush II? What is the income tax if not a redistribution of wealth? Do you favor a society with no taxes? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/27 "2012-06-06T15:08:31Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > It’s not the answer I don’t like per se, it’s the utter lack of substance or thought. Or maybe it’s the overuse of made-up cliches. Maybe it’s the demonstrable lack of substance. To write such nonsense and then use ‘broad brush’ in a post is pretty much the essence of what I said. > > I apologize for tying you to Fox news. I’m sure you came up with such pithy ideas as a death tax or that Democrats secretly want to steal your guns all on your own. It’s just a coincidence that such ridiculous talking points are also prominently pushed by the media arm of the republican party. Since your analytical abilities hover so close to theirs to the point of unintentional and coincidental mimicry, perhaps you should contact them for writing assignments. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/28 "2012-06-06T15:09:22Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Obviously I use the derisive term “death tax” to refer to what you cal the “inheritance tax” and is also called an “estate tax”. But yay for your pedantic nitpickery without a substantive point. It’s not pedantic nitpickery. Words have meaning. “death tax” is a phrase crafted by Republican pollsters specifically intended to cast the estate tax in a bad light. It’s a misuse of language in order to derail any intelligent debate on the issue. It’s not a tax on death. What is the dollar value of death? It’s a tax on an estate, something that actually can be valued. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/29 "2012-06-06T15:10:28Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Obviously I use the derisive term “death tax” to refer to what you cal the “inheritance tax” and is also called an “estate tax”. But yay for your pedantic nitpickery without a substantive point. No, I’m saying you don’t understand it. You have a cartoon version of it, presumably with some greedy obese liberal sealing money from crying children, playing through your head. If you pay Johnny Inheritor to landscape your lawn he’s taxed on that money. Why shouldn’t he get taxed if you give him your stuff? Also, are you even aware that the first five million isn’t taxed? ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/30 "2012-06-06T15:10:38Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Obviously I use the derisive term “death tax” to refer to what you cal the “inheritance tax” and is also called an “estate tax”. **But yay for your pedantic nitpickery without a substantive point**. Ah, self mockery. Now it all makes sense, in an Andy Kaufman sort of way. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/31 "2012-06-06T15:12:10Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Yes, but what about the relentless push by Democrats to overturn the Second Amendment and confiscate all privately owned guns? You can’t say he doesn’t have a point _there_. It’s right there in the Democratic party platform somewhere, isn’t it? Shhh! Ixnay on the econdsay amendmentay epealray. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/32 "2012-06-06T15:16:37Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > No, I’m saying you don’t understand it. You have a cartoon version of it, presumably with some greedy obese liberal sealing money from crying children, playing through your head. So you’re psychic now? > [@](#): > > Also, are you even aware that the first five million isn’t taxed? It is quite likely that I know more about tax law than you ever will. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/33 "2012-06-06T15:20:08Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Obviously I use the derisive term “death tax” to refer to what you cal the “inheritance tax” and is also called an “estate tax”. But yay for your pedantic nitpickery without a substantive point. So person A works hard and earns a million dollars. He’s taxed on it. Person B has a rich relative die and a million dollars falls in his lap. Why is it unjust to tax him on it? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/34 "2012-06-06T15:23:32Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > So person A works hard and earns a million dollars. He’s taxed on it. Person B has a rich relative die and a million dollars falls in his lap. Why is it unjust to tax him on it? Go learn how the death tax actually works, and come back with an intelligent question. Maybe I’ll answer it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/35 "2012-06-06T15:26:40Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > So you’re psychic now? No, I just assume you’re honestly communicating your opinions. > [@](#): > > It is quite likely that I know more about tax law than you ever will. I doubt it. Since you think that being taxed when money changes hands is an evil plot or in any way unusual. _Death Taxes_ are an argument designed to sway uneducated people. If you know a lot about tax law, shame on you for believing it, and double shame for repeating it. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/36 "2012-06-06T15:26:53Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Go learn how the death tax actually works, and come back with an intelligent question. Maybe I’ll answer it. Shove your condescending attitude up your ass. Why, in principle, should people who inherit money get to do so tax free? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/37 "2012-06-06T15:27:45Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Go learn how the death tax actually works, and come back with an intelligent question. Maybe I’ll answer it. You’re avoiding the question. Why not answer it with all your tax knowledge? Because you know deep down that this issue is full of shit? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/38 "2012-06-06T15:28:38Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Obviously I use the derisive term “death tax” to refer to what you cal the “inheritance tax” and is also called an “estate tax”. But yay for your pedantic nitpickery without a substantive point. Nonsense; the point is quite substantive. When someone refers to “the Zionist entity” rather than “Israel” or to “the War of Northern Aggression” rather than “the Civil War”, it is possible to make reliable inferences about his political biases. The same applies here. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/39 "2012-06-06T15:33:31Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Go learn how the death tax actually works, and come back with an intelligent question. Maybe I’ll answer it. Well, then – we’ll raise the sum to something above five million dollars, so that an estate tax would actually be applicable. Answer the question. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-expect-to-win-control-of-wisconsin-state-senate/624256/40 "2012-06-06T15:39:21Z")
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