# Democrats have not tried infiltrating MAGA en masse from within **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 28, 2025, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529 "2025-01-28T13:39:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/61 "2025-01-29T18:34:01Z")
**Secret Log: MAGA Infiltration, Day 5:** Damn, day _ **5?** _ It feels like day 105. I don’t know if I’m going to be able to tolerate another MAGA-head say to me “global warming is a pile of BS-- it was colder than a witch’s teat yesterday” or “if we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?”. And this cheap Chinese-made MAGA hat is making my head break out in hives-- I hope the red dye is not poison or something. And despite it being early yet, I am sincerely starting to doubt if I can make any difference at all in changing minds. These people are just too stupid set in their ways. When I try even the mildest in-road topic, like “I hate socialism as much as the next guy, but I don’t know how we coulda paid for my dad’s medical bills toward the end if it wasn’t for Medicare” or “yeah, the left did make way too big a deal out of COVID, but my Aunt Sadie did die after getting it” they look at me suspiciously and say “you sound like some kinda god-durn Demon-rat Commie!” ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/62 "2025-01-29T18:37:51Z")
For clarification, my talk about “infiltrating” MAGA isn’t so much about trying to change minds (those minds are as immovable as concrete), but rather, sabotaging the movement. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/63 "2025-01-29T18:40:09Z")
How? I don’t see how any of this makes any sense. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/64 "2025-01-29T18:40:34Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > For clarification, my talk about “infiltrating” MAGA isn’t so much about trying to change minds > [@Velocity](#): > > They could have people participating in MAGA rallies holding billboards either subtly pushing MAGA in a pro-Democrat direction, or even more overtly, misrepresenting or distorting MAGA. Does not the first of this part of your OP statement mean exactly that? Also RE: > [@Velocity](#): > > pro-Democrat direction Can we non-MAGAs please avoid adopting the Republican practice of using the verb form ‘Democrat’ instead of ‘Democratic’? It’s a subtle slur against Democratic ideals. ETA 2: Eh, I guess you could have meant “in the direction of the Democrats” rather than “in a Democratic direction” so please ignore the last admonition. Just a little pet peeve of mine, the adjectival use of ‘Democrat’. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/65 "2025-01-29T18:48:01Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > or even more overtly, misrepresenting or distorting MAGA It’s hard to think of a distortion that would be more ridiculous than the reality. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/66 "2025-01-29T19:25:33Z")
> [@solost](#): > > ETA 2: Eh, I guess you could have meant “in the direction of the Democrats” rather than “in a Democratic direction” so please ignore the last admonition. Just a little pet peeve of mine, the adjectival use of ‘Democrat’. In which case it’s “in a democratic direction”. It’s all about the _D_s and the _d_s! ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/67 "2025-01-29T19:33:23Z")
> [@Fretful\_Porpentine](#): > > I do? That’s news to me, are you sure you haven’t mixed me up with someone else? Sorry I retract my claim then. My bad. Years ago I had read between the lines and inferred that you had some involvement with RationalWiki. One of their contributors had finagled themselves into moderator status at Conservapedia: hilarity followed. It turns out that flattery of the founder was a reliable method of climbing the ladder within Conservapedia, never mind the infiltrator’s constant picking of ridiculous fights with other moderators. I think they challenged another moderator to a duel at some point. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/68 "2025-01-29T19:33:38Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > In which case it’s “in a democratic direction”. “…in a Democratic direction” if you mean “in the direction of the Democratic Party”. “…in a democratic direction” if you mean “in the direction of democratic ideals”, in general. In any case, I was just trying to walk back my admonishment, however mild, of **Velocity** ’s use of the term “pro-Democrat direction”. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/69 "2025-01-29T19:38:08Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > For clarification, my talk about “infiltrating” MAGA isn’t so much about trying to change minds (those minds are as immovable as concrete), but rather, sabotaging the movement. Accepting this idea at face value, what does “Sabotaging a movement led by ultra billionaires like Rubert Murdoch & Elon Musk” look like to you? Serious question. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/70 "2025-01-29T19:41:58Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Accepting this idea at face value, what does “Sabotaging a movement led by ultra billionaires like Rubert Murdoch & Elon Musk” look like to you? > > Serious question. That’s the nub. You can sabotage small groups of weirdos. Sabotaging well lawyered organizations with a professional staff like Fox News is much more difficult, especially when they have very active defenses against it. Read [Joe Muto’s book](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Muto) to see how that plays out. Liberals and trolls exist at 4chan and twitter, but their effectiveness is limited. ETA: Yeah, liberals have engaged in campaign stunts in the past. The technical term for it is ratfucking. [Dick Tuck](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Tuck) was a pioneer in this art, but he was eclipsed by Roger Stone. > After the first [Kennedy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy)–Nixon debate in 1960, Tuck hired an elderly woman who put on a Nixon button and embraced the candidate in front of TV cameras. She said, “Don’t worry, son! He beat you last night, but you’ll get him next time.” Pranksters entice Trump supporters to wave Russian flags during a CPAC meeting: > **[Liberal activists' prank had some at CPAC waving Russian 'Trump' flags](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/liberal-activists-prank-had-some-cpac-waving-russian-trump-flags-n725496)** > > They handed out flags in a nod to allegations of Russian interference in the election. Both were ejected, but said the stunt exceeded expectations. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/71 "2025-01-29T19:42:18Z")
One example of such sabotage I know of (not in America, but in another nation) was that some people would dress up as workers for the opposing campaign and ring doorbells at 2 or 3 AM, “Hey, would you please vote for Candidate B?” in hopes of angering the voters to vote **against** Candidate B. Now, I don’t recommend doing that specific action in America; it would probably break several laws of several jurisdictions. But it’s not hard to imagine other, legal, ways in which people could infiltrate MAGA and piss off voters under the guise of MAGA. ---
**Author:** ![bobsmom101](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobsmom101/32/2867_2.png) [@bobsmom101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobsmom101)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/72 "2025-01-29T19:51:47Z")
in America; it would probably ~~break several laws of several jurisdictions~~ get you shot ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/73 "2025-01-29T20:17:38Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > But it’s not hard to imagine other, legal, ways in which people could infiltrate MAGA and piss off voters under the guise of MAGA. It’s _extremely_ hard for me to imagine any such things. The 3am doorbell routine smacks of something a kid would come up with. Pople performing pranks while wearing MAGA hats will not cause the prank victims to embrace Democratic ideals. It’ll cause them to think performative MAGAs are jerks. Guess what? The MAGAs do that jerkification for themselves already. They don’t need our help. I do not know what sliver of possible voters you think you’d motivate our way with this concept but IMO they mostly don’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/74 "2025-01-29T20:48:22Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Years ago I had read between the lines and inferred that you had some involvement with RationalWiki. Nope, I don’t. (And, so that this doesn’t get modded for going off-topic): Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me if people like RFK, Jr., and perhaps Fetterman as well, think they ARE infiltrating MAGA from within. This doesn’t mean it’s a wise tactic, or that they will be successful at it, but the fact that we might actually end up with a pro-choice, anti-corporate hippie as HHS secretary in a _Republican_ administration really makes me wonder whether the man is crazy like a fox. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/75 "2025-01-29T21:06:02Z")
> [@Fretful\_Porpentine](#): > > but the fact that we might actually end up with a pro-choice, anti-corporate hippie as HHS secretary in a _Republican_ administration really makes me wonder whether the man is crazy like a fox. But is he sincere or is that simply his opening positioning for a negotiation over how large a bribe he needs to reverse his course? Hellifino. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/76 "2025-01-29T22:39:55Z")
I’ve got no idea, either. But I would be surprised if Trump had any particular attachment to a lot of traditionally Republican policy positions, including on abortion; that seems to be a very clear-cut case of “those people flattered me and made nice to me, therefore I will adopt their positions, at least as long as it doesn’t cost me too much.” I can easily imagine some prominent individual calculating that it might be possible to push him in the opposite direction by the same means, and I can even imagine it working, as long as that person doesn’t have too many close ties to people Trump sees as The Enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/77 "2025-01-30T00:07:04Z")
> [@Fretful\_Porpentine](#): > > …but the fact that we might actually end up with a pro-choice, anti-corporate hippie as HHS secretary… We don’t though. He’s not going to be pro choice, he’s not hippie, he won’t be anti-corporate unless it’s a company that Trump wants to punish. He’s just an antivax weirdo flunky. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/78 "2025-01-30T09:36:15Z")
> [@Fretful\_Porpentine](#): > > But I would be surprised if Trump had any particular attachment to a lot of traditionally Republican policy positions, including on abortion; that seems to be a very clear-cut case of “those people flattered me and made nice to me, therefore I will adopt their positions, at least as long as it doesn’t cost me too much.” Forbidding abortion hurts and humiliates women, and he’s a misogynist; there’s his motivation. ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/79 "2025-01-30T13:44:46Z")
All of Trump healthcare moves are to 1 punish Fauci 2 punish Obama ---
**Author:** ![BorealisCooper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/db5fbb/32.png) [@BorealisCooper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BorealisCooper)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529/80 "2025-01-30T15:39:40Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Forbidding abortion hurts and humiliates women I’m conflicted about abortion but late term abortion hurts the fetus too. In fact, it kills the fetus. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-have-not-tried-infiltrating-maga-en-masse-from-within/1013529.md?page=5)