# Democrats Running For 2018 and 2020 Just Stop and Fucking Govern **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 16, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942 "2018-02-16T17:55:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/21 "2018-02-16T18:51:45Z")
Really **JohnT**? That’s what you came up with? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/22 "2018-02-16T18:54:11Z")
It’s what this thread deserves. You want me to waste my best material on you? ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/23 "2018-02-16T19:04:51Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Anyone else have a problem comprehending what I wrote? :dubious: It’s crystal clear. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/24 "2018-02-16T19:07:07Z")
> [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > It’s crystal clear. Ah, that’s the problem then. Inbred boy probably thinks clarity is a Liberal Conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/25 "2018-02-16T19:09:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The best thing for Dreamers is for the Democrats to win in 2018. I don’t see how, in the real world, a shutdown would have lead to anything good for Dreamers. This seems to have taken all the stupid, thoughtless notions I’ve read so far in this thread and turned them into an amalgam of idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/26 "2018-02-16T19:12:33Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Ah, that’s the problem then. Inbred boy probably thinks clarity is a Liberal Conspiracy. I really wish I had pretended to understand your post instead of asking for clarity. It’s only caused you to keep injecting stupid into my thread. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/27 "2018-02-16T19:14:19Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > This seems to have taken all the stupid, thoughtless notions I’ve read so far in this thread and turned them into an amalgam of idiocy. Well, spell the alternative out for me: let’s say, for the sake of argument, that the Democrats _had_ shut down the government over DACA — and that the Republicans had responded with a casual “uh, okay.” Time passes. What do you think happens next? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/28 "2018-02-16T19:23:53Z")
People just realize that the Republicans are just plain no-good _meanies_, the entire country turns against them, and it’s Morning in America again! ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/29 "2018-02-16T19:26:27Z")
Like I said, this is just **Gaslight Trolling**. Pretend to take a false position just to troll people and call them all stupid. By a guy too stupid to understand half of what is being said to him. Time to bow out and let him wallow in his own gravy. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/30 "2018-02-16T19:29:40Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > I wish I hadn’t asked you to clarify. I didn’t want any dummies posting to my thread but now I see there is one. > > No, idiot, the mess belongs to DACA recipients and their families. The families that are about to be torn to pieces. This idiot-talk speaking of these mistakes as though it’s just part of strategery is the most savage fucking thing I read on a day to day basis. > > You forgot: > > 1.5 Democrats had a chance to shut the government down in order to force legislation on DACA and blew it because they don’t want Republicans saying naughty things about them in 2018. > 6.5 Democrats whine about Trump. > 7.0 Americans thrown out of the country into places they don’t understand to appease the savages. Trump did “the job” on DACA. Stop lying. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/31 "2018-02-16T19:39:31Z")
It’s like the OP is Stupid Don Rickles, without the charm and humor. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/32 "2018-02-16T19:39:40Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > 1.5 Democrats had a chance to shut the government down in order to force legislation on DACA and blew it because they don’t want Republicans saying naughty things about them in 2018. Dude. In the shutdown deal, McConnell said he would allow open voting on DACA amendments - and he actually did! You could knock me over with a feather, but he did. And they all failed because none got 60 votes. They wouldn’t have had 60 votes if the Democrats had “forced” a vote by shutting down the government either. You know why? There’s no compromise bill to be had because Republicans don’t want to pass the DREAM Act or equivalent and because Democrats don’t want to pass the Steven Miller version or equivalent and they are at an impasse. Further, any of Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan or Donald Trump can unilaterally kill any deal they don’t like, and none of those three give a rat’s ass about what Democrats want or about shutdowns. Talk of Democratic “leverage” on this was always an illusion. As long as Republicans control all the relevant veto points, there won’t be any solution for the DREAMers as long as Republicans as a whole don’t want there to be one. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/33 "2018-02-16T19:48:33Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Shutting down the government over DACA isn’t going to win us any votes. It might even cost us control of the House and any hope of the Senate. This isn’t the hill to die on, we can do more for the dreamers if we keep our powder dry and work to regain the majority. Get the majority, then we can help the dreamers. Until then, their anguish is owned by the GOP. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The best thing for Dreamers is for the Democrats to win in 2018. I don’t see how, in the real world, a shutdown would have lead to anything good for Dreamers. I agree. Americans care about the Dreamers, but it’s not a top tier issue. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/34 "2018-02-16T20:26:04Z")
Vladimir, is that you? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/35 "2018-02-16T20:42:07Z")
I was only mildly aware of the OP’s existence before this thread, but now I find him fascinating in the sense i normally reserve for spectacles on the scale of a derailed fertilizer train careening through a sewage-treatment plant. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/36 "2018-02-16T20:56:45Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I was only mildly aware of the OP’s existence before this thread, but now I find him fascinating in the sense i normally reserve for spectacles on the scale of a derailed fertilizer train careening through a sewage-treatment plant. I’d never heard of him, but his fiery crash and burn is spectacular. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/37 "2018-02-16T21:25:41Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > It’s like the OP is Stupid Don Rickles, without the charm and humor. Thank you for directly insulting me. I wish more people would come up with something I find funny. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I was only mildly aware of the OP’s existence before this thread, but now I find him fascinating in the sense i normally reserve for spectacles on the scale of a derailed fertilizer train careening through a sewage-treatment plant. > [@Helena330](#): > > I’d never heard of him, but his fiery crash and burn is spectacular. I appreciate the stupid things you’ve both written and I appreciate your not attempting to justify the Democratic party leadership. > [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > Dude. In the shutdown deal, McConnell said he would allow open voting on DACA amendments - and he actually did! You could knock me over with a feather, but he did. And they all failed because none got 60 votes. They wouldn’t have had 60 votes if the Democrats had “forced” a vote by shutting down the government either. You know why? There’s no compromise bill to be had because Republicans don’t want to pass the DREAM Act or equivalent and because Democrats don’t want to pass the Steven Miller version or equivalent and they are at an impasse. > > Further, any of Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan or Donald Trump can unilaterally kill any deal they don’t like, and none of those three give a rat’s ass about what Democrats want or about shutdowns. Talk of Democratic “leverage” on this was always an illusion. As long as Republicans control all the relevant veto points, there won’t be any solution for the DREAMers as long as Republicans as a whole don’t want there to be one. And here is why we are in this predicament today. The sheer hopelessness of this post makes it pretty clear how fucked the Dreamers are. Keep looking to the future, maybe we’ll help them out by 2050 or so. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/38 "2018-02-16T21:39:42Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > And here is why we are in this predicament today. The sheer hopelessness of this post makes it pretty clear how fucked the Dreamers are. Keep looking to the future, maybe we’ll help them out by 2050 or so. You mean looking forward to winning an election and having governing power? Yes – hopefully in 2018 and 2020. You haven’t presented an alternative path. I’d love to see it. But if you’re just interested in shitting on advocates for Dreamers that appear to disagree with you on the best path forward, then carry on and I’ll bow out. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/39 "2018-02-16T21:54:08Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > And here is why we are in this predicament today. The sheer hopelessness of this post makes it pretty clear how fucked the Dreamers are. Keep looking to the future, maybe we’ll help them out by 2050 or so. How, precisely, do you figure that shutting the government down — for a week, or for two; or for a month, or whatever — of late would’ve helped them out in 2018? Explain to me what you think would’ve happened: there’d be a shutdown, and it’d last for a while; and, then, ah, who does _what,_ exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/40 "2018-02-16T21:55:07Z")
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