# Democrats Running For 2018 and 2020 Just Stop and Fucking Govern **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 16, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942 "2018-02-16T17:55:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/41 "2018-02-16T21:57:42Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > How, precisely, do you figure that shutting the government down — for a week, or for two; or for a month, or whatever — of late would’ve helped them out in 2018? > > Explain to me what you think would’ve happened: there’d be a shutdown, and it’d last for a while; and, then, ah, who does _what,_ exactly? When was the last shutdown? Don’t look it up. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/42 "2018-02-16T22:01:13Z")
The OP’s like a little kid who for Christmas 2016 got every toy he asked for, then spent the next year finding out that none of them worked, that none of them are nearly as much fun as the toy commercials implied. He could blame himself, but it’s easier to lash out at the people who tried to warn him those toys were junk. They better not warn him again, or else! Anyway, a Democrat congress will be a present America can give to itself for Christmas 2018, although it’ll be one of those practical adult gifts, like a nice sweater or a set of winter tires. Sadly, too many American voters still love toy commercials and their empty promises. _Real_ toy commercials have to carry disclaimers like “Doll does not actually talk”, but political-toy ads need not remind the viewer that “Warning, Mexico will never pay for a border wall” or “Warning, candidate claims mental illness is the source of gun violence but has voted eight times to cut Federal funding to mental health clinics.” More’s the pity. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/43 "2018-02-16T22:04:03Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > When was the last shutdown? Don’t look it up. Or wait for the translation! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/44 "2018-02-16T22:06:10Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > When was the last shutdown? Don’t look it up. I’m afraid you’re too late; I’d looked it up before I posted. But your point eludes me nonetheless. Still, there’s no need to be coy; you don’t need to allude to this or that past shutdown; you can simply _mention_ what you think would’ve happened here. It’s your thread; you’re the one who figures it would’ve been a better move, because you already have something in mind; _what?_ ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/45 "2018-02-16T22:06:16Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You mean looking forward to winning an election and having governing power? Yes – hopefully in 2018 and 2020. You haven’t presented an alternative path. I’d love to see it. But if you’re just interested in shitting on advocates for Dreamers that appear to disagree with you on the best path forward, then carry on and I’ll bow out. Well it’s too fucking late now to do something affirmative for the Dreamers, isn’t it? Some background, when I first heard the budget deal I wanted to open a pit thread or go around my neighborhood and yell at people but I thought “We just got done with 8 years of Obama. Many time Obama did things that seemed weasely or weak or spineless to me - too much thought and not enough action. Most of those times I learned my preference was not as good as Obama’s, maybe the Democrats are going to get all this done with their deal-making even though it doesn’t make sense to me now.” So I waited. This is the completely predictable result. At least the Dreamers can still dream! > [@Helena330](#): > > Dude, get some anger management. Good grief. What makes you think I am angry dumb-dumb? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/46 "2018-02-16T22:11:05Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > I really wish I had pretended to understand your post instead of asking for clarity. It’s only caused you to keep injecting stupid into my thread. We ALL understood it. What’s your problem? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/47 "2018-02-16T22:13:55Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Well, spell the alternative out for me: let’s say, for the sake of argument, that the Democrats _had_ shut down the government over DACA — and that the Republicans had responded with a casual “uh, okay.” Time passes. What do you think happens next? Then they blame the Democrats FOR shutting it down… and never ever mention Trump’s well documented remarks about how great a shutdown would be. Never mind it was Trump, his “attack” on DACA, his rejections of bi-partisan compromises, and his fucking wall that would have been the cause. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/48 "2018-02-16T22:15:08Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I was only mildly aware of the OP’s existence before this thread, but now I find him fascinating in the sense i normally reserve for spectacles on the scale of a derailed fertilizer train careening through a sewage-treatment plant. Creepy Colonel Kurtz voice… I saw a troll crawling on a razor blade. The horror. The horror. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/49 "2018-02-16T22:17:10Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I’m afraid you’re too late; I’d looked it up before I posted. > > But your point eludes me nonetheless. Still, there’s no need to be coy; you don’t need to allude to this or that past shutdown; you can simply _mention_ what you think would’ve happened here. It’s your thread; you’re the one who figures it would’ve been a better move, because you already have something in mind; _what?_ The point is: nobody gives a shit about the shutdown. It’s not memorable. It’s not 9/11 or the Challenger explosion. It’s not going to hurt anybody’s political chances. On the other hand, demoralizing your base is the pinnacle of stupid, not that anybody here gets that with their “Hope for year 20## we can finally do something”. I liked my tough-guy Democratic party of 2017. Now its gelded over a shutdown nobody will give two shits about next month. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/50 "2018-02-16T22:26:13Z")
Shutting down the Government is a childish, foolish action. All you do is close some parks and cut services for a few days and not save any actual money. So you’re only hurting the public. ‘The Government’ is not some singular monolithic creature-self. It is made up of a few million people that we hired to do the work we the people need them to do in order to run our society from day to day. What the fuck good does it serve to jerk them around, cost some of them some money and cut some public services just to make a point about a law they can’t get signed into law? Just as Trump has made it his personal mission to undo every single law and regulation that Obama passed, out of pure hatred and vindictiveness; when his time is done, one way or another almost every one of those laws and regulations is coming back. That’s not some kind of ‘you wait until we’re in the majority!’ things, that’s just a fact. He’s burning down shit just to burn down shit. Even a slightly less monstrous Republican is likely to do have to fix that. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/51 "2018-02-16T22:30:55Z")
I don’t understand your concern, Inbred. Looking at your posting history you participated in zero of the many, many DACA and budget shutdown discussions on this board. You didn’t give a shit to comment then, why the rant now? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/52 "2018-02-16T22:36:18Z")
**Inbred Mm domesticus** , are you aware of the subconscious anger you’re displaying in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/53 "2018-02-16T23:36:01Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > What makes you think I am angry dumb-dumb? Well, the presence of the _ANGRY DUMB-DUMB_ tattoo on your forehead suggests it is acceptable nomenclature. I was prepared to call you ADD for short. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/54 "2018-02-17T04:33:09Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I don’t understand your concern, Inbred. > > Looking at your posting history you participated in zero of the many, many DACA and budget shutdown discussions on this board. > > You didn’t give a shit to comment then, why the rant now? I only have so much time. > [@B-Rad](#): > > **Inbred Mm domesticus** , are you aware of the subconscious anger you’re displaying in this thread? No. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, the presence of the _ANGRY DUMB-DUMB_ tattoo on your forehead suggests it is acceptable nomenclature. > > I was prepared to call you ADD for short. My subconscious must have made me overlook the comma. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/55 "2018-02-17T04:56:05Z")
Your conscious has kinda dropped the ball, too. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/56 "2018-02-17T06:04:28Z")
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**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/57 "2018-02-17T07:41:08Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Anyone else have a problem comprehending what I wrote? :dubious: I understand what you wrote, and also the implication (which is what confused OP) that you thought that OP would … > [@Chimera](#): > > … never vote for a Democrat, you’re just gaslight trolling. So … is **Inbred Mm domesticus** a rational thinker or, as **Chimera** suggests, just another GOP-licking cretin? I don’t keep a scorecard but my impression is that **Inbred** is a Democrat who happens to have centrist views on some issues. _ **I know that’s frowned on by many SDMB progressives, who think that if you don’t drink all the left-wing Kool-Aid, you might as well be a Trumpist.** _ Does this help? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/58 "2018-02-17T12:33:53Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > The point is: nobody gives a shit about the shutdown. It’s not memorable. You’re still not answering my question. You say it wouldn’t be memorable. You say nobody would give a shit. But, near as I can tell, it’s what you think they should’ve _done,_ for a week or two or whatever; and what I’m asking is: what do you think would’ve happened if they’d done that? What do you think the Republicans would’ve done, in response to the shutdown you think wouldn’t have been memorable and you think nobody would’ve given a shit about? What do you think the outcome would’ve been for the Dreamers? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/59 "2018-02-17T13:05:20Z")
I haven’t read this whole thread, but tell me if I’ve got the gist of it: Republicans keep shitting themselves, but somehow it’s the Democrats fault for not changing their diapers fast enough? Something like that? ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942/60 "2018-02-17T13:50:54Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > I haven’t read this whole thread, but tell me if I’ve got the gist of it: > > Republicans keep shitting themselves, but somehow it’s the Democrats fault for not changing their diapers fast enough? Something like that? Once again, they need to be reminded: you won, get over it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-running-for-2018-and-2020-just-stop-and-fucking-govern/808942.md?page=4)