# Democrats say: we luvs ya, Heath Mello . . . for now **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 9, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173 "2017-05-09T01:24:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/21 "2017-05-09T19:43:19Z")
> [@](#): > > …as evidenced by the current President. Oh? Has he offered a simple and direct position on the issue, and just one, one that hasn’t been trimmed, modified, and danced upon? [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/03/donald-trumps-ever-shifting-positions-on-abortion/?utm\_term=.8b6491b4486f](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/03/donald-trumps-ever-shifting-positions-on-abortion/?utm_term=.8b6491b4486f) **Donald Trump took 5 different positions on abortion in 3 days** ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/22 "2017-05-09T20:00:16Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Oh? Has he offered a simple and direct position on the issue, and just one, one that hasn’t been trimmed, modified, and danced upon? > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/03/donald-trumps-ever-shifting-positions-on-abortion/?utm\_term=.8b6491b4486f](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/03/donald-trumps-ever-shifting-positions-on-abortion/?utm_term=.8b6491b4486f) > > **Donald Trump took 5 different positions on abortion in 3 days** No matter what one’s view on abortion is, it it surely guided by one’s principles and concern for other people. Of course Trump struggles on this issue. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/23 "2017-05-09T20:03:36Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > No matter what one’s view on abortion is, it it surely guided by one’s principles and concern for other people. Of course Trump struggles on this issue. Riiiiight. That’s the reason. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/24 "2017-05-09T20:23:46Z")
Trump’s position on abortion is that when one of his mistresses gets one, she doesn’t try to hit him up for child support payments. That’s it. He doesn’t give a damn, one way or the other, about anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/25 "2017-05-09T20:30:54Z")
Amazing how the Republicans are so focused on an issue that Jesus Christ never mentioned, but totally opposed to the things he did, like helping the poor, tending to the sick, etc. Almost as if they’re not actually followers of his. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/26 "2017-05-09T20:55:40Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Amazing how the Republicans are so focused on an issue that Jesus Christ never mentioned, but totally opposed to the things he did, like helping the poor, tending to the sick, etc. > > Almost as if they’re not actually followers of his. Remind us again when JC raised taxes to help the poor? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/27 "2017-05-09T21:00:01Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Remind us again when JC raised taxes to help the poor? He paid a 100% tax to save poor people. Because the wages of sin is death, right? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/28 "2017-05-09T21:01:41Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Amazing how the Republicans are so focused on an issue that Jesus Christ never mentioned, but totally opposed to the things he did, like helping the poor, tending to the sick, etc. > > Almost as if they’re not actually followers of his. Easy now – the Republican who criticizes Democrats for their blatant hypocrisy (who started this thread) has very little patience for non-Christians who criticize Christians for their blatant hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/29 "2017-05-09T21:21:31Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Remind us again when JC raised taxes to help the poor? When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” Luke 18:22 ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/30 "2017-05-09T21:36:53Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” Luke 18:22 That’s voluntary giving, quite different from taxation by government. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/31 "2017-05-09T21:39:54Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > That’s voluntary giving, quite different from taxation by government. Render unto Caesar? I don’t ever recall Jesus or anyone at all in the bible ever discussing government funding of ANYTHING, so it would not be practical to claim a biblical opposition to taxes, public education, public healthcare, et al. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/32 "2017-05-09T21:45:51Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Render unto Caesar? > > I don’t ever recall Jesus or anyone at all in the bible ever discussing government funding of ANYTHING, so it would not be practical to claim a biblical opposition to taxes, public education, public healthcare, et al. FTR most Christians aren’t opposed to taxation, but just don’t want the topic misused as a Christianity-hijack. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/33 "2017-05-10T02:05:43Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > FTR most Christians aren’t opposed to taxation, but just don’t want the topic misused as a Christianity-hijack. Well thank Mr. Mace for bringing in taxation. We’re still back to the fact that Jesus never once addressed abortion, yet this is the issue here and addressed by Republicans such as Shodan as being the primary moral issue of the day, while they rage and froth over the very idea of the government feeding the poor and healing the sick. You know, stuff Jesus actually spoke about. I’d think a “Christian Government” would do as Christ commands. Since Republicans oppose such an agenda, they are not practicing christians. They’re only culturally identified as “Christian” in the same way you have lots of Europeans who might be culturally identified as christian, but don’t really believe in God. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/34 "2017-05-10T02:19:16Z")
Jesus wasn’t living in a democracy, nor was he preaching to the Roman governors who held the actual power. I don’t think it’s a huge stretch to go from “you should do as much as you can to help the poor” (as suggested by the verse **Chisquirrel** quoted above) to “if you control the government, you should use that power to help the poor”. Not a slam-dunk, irrefutable argument, but not a huge stretch either. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/35 "2017-05-10T03:08:22Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > That’s voluntary giving, quite different from taxation by government. It’s God explaining how not to go to hell. “Eternal hellfire” sounds awfully coercive to me. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/36 "2017-05-10T03:37:49Z")
Well, you have _access_ to Heaven, but you have post-existing conditions… ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/37 "2017-05-10T03:49:23Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I have a feeling that should he win, Mr. Mello will fare better in the Democratic Party than Trump will in the Republican Party. It’s going to be Republican rats fleeing a sinking White House ship in the 2018 elections. It will? So care to translate that into any specific predictions on net seats gained/lost in the House and Senate? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/38 "2017-05-10T04:30:00Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, you have _access_ to Heaven, but you have post-existing conditions… Heh. Jesus didn’t walk around going “I got mine, I’m Son of God. You, you’re tainted with Original Sin. Sorry, pre-existing condition. Guess you go to Hell.” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/39 "2017-05-10T14:44:01Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Remind us again when JC raised taxes to help the poor? He never passed universal health care either but in a What Would Jesus Do sense f Christianity. Would Jesus raise taxes to help the poor? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173/40 "2017-05-10T14:45:01Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” Luke 18:22 That’s personal charity. The rich man had the option of keeping all his shit and going to hell. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-say-we-luvs-ya-heath-mello-for-now/786173.md?page=3)