# Democrats trying to skew another election? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2004, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878 "2004-06-23T21:29:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/41 "2004-06-24T13:09:39Z")
> [@Dex](#): > > However, when the Republicans use the technical letter of the law to throw out votes in Florida, it’s obviously the proper use of the law to resolve dispute. Memory’s a funny damned thing ain’t it. 'Cuz mine’s telling me that in addition to the Republican horseshit in Florida there were numerous challenges coming from the Dems to the ballots cast by our overseas servicemen. There’s plenty of blame to go around. No need to be so miserly with it. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/42 "2004-06-24T13:11:04Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Just curious: do you really find “Pubbies”, which seems like just a shortening of the word, as insulting as adding “dummy” to a name? I find this odd. No, but take in “pubbies” “Bushco” “Halliburton sluts” “Enron whores” \*ad nauseum \* and it’s just easier to get one name, and one name only. See how childish it is? ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/43 "2004-06-24T13:11:29Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > This one again? > > FTR I say let him run, and fuck the whiny Dems on this one, we need more choice not less. > > Blame Gore for running a horrible campaign, not Nader for siphoning off votes, and get over it. I’m not sure I understand this. Gore who? Are you talking about the Gore that won the popular vote by 300,000 votes, and lost Florida by fewer than 200 (questionable) votes, and who lost the SCOTUS vote by one? Is that the Gore that you say ran a horrible campaign? As opposed to the Bush that ran a brilliant campaign, therefore losing the popular vote by 300,000? And I’m not sure which Dems you’re calling whiny. Is it the ones who were out on the street on 11/8/00 screeching (at the top of their lungs, no less) about how Gore was trying to steal the election, because he came within a statistical tie? Are those the whiners you’re talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/44 "2004-06-24T13:13:41Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > Memory’s a funny damned thing ain’t it. 'Cuz mine’s telling me that in addition to the Republican horseshit in Florida there were numerous challenges coming from the Dems to the ballots cast by our overseas servicemen. > > There’s plenty of blame to go around. No need to be so miserly with it. Dammit, that’s just fucking wrong, and as an SAB, you should know better, Uncle Beer. Every rat is a rodent, but not every rodent is a rat. There were SOME service votes amon the overseas votes, but the Democrats were asking that ALL overseas votes be held to the law. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/45 "2004-06-24T13:14:28Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > Memory’s a funny damned thing ain’t it. 'Cuz mine’s telling me that in addition to the Republican horseshit in Florida there were numerous challenges coming from the Dems to the ballots cast by our overseas servicemen. > > There’s plenty of blame to go around. No need to be so miserly with it. And let us never forget, had Gore carried his own state, this would be a non-issue. I’ll trust his constituants over a court any day. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/46 "2004-06-24T13:15:25Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > The one I remember is the Dummycrats (new name till I see Pubbies banished) trying to void the absentee ballots the service men and women serving overseas. Anytime veterans (no matter whom they vote for) are silenced, I have a problem with it. Or any other silenced vote. Maybe in 2000 the Dems should have spent less on catering to unions and more on educating people how to properly fill out a ballot? Interesting, ain’t it, how you remember that, but don’t remember the Republican’s silencing of the votes of black men who “might” be ex-felons? And ain’t it just fascinating that you forget that, while the Democrats backed away from their position on absentee ballots, the Republicans stuck to their guns on denying the vote to all those illegally disenfranchised black men? Selective memory at its best. > [@SPOOFE](#): > > -Crazy bat-winged monkeys from the planet Zortron come and exterminate the Religious Right. Awesome, but in what sense are those bat-winged monkeys crazy? I’m not seeing it. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/47 "2004-06-24T13:18:08Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > I’m not sure I understand this. Gore who? Are you talking about the Gore that won the popular vote by 300,000 votes, and lost Florida by fewer than 200 (questionable) votes, and who lost the SCOTUS vote by one? Is that the Gore that you say ran a horrible campaign? As opposed to the Bush that ran a brilliant campaign, therefore losing the popular vote by 300,000? > > And I’m not sure which Dems you’re calling whiny. Is it the ones who were out on the street on 11/8/00 screeching (at the top of their lungs, no less) about how Gore was trying to steal the election, because he came within a statistical tie? Are those the whiners you’re talking about? Are you saying that a court decision determined by one vote is invalid? There are a shitload of laws that will be re-written if that’s the case. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/48 "2004-06-24T13:20:37Z")
It’s already been done. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/49 "2004-06-24T13:23:21Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Are you saying that a court decision determined by one vote is invalid? There are a shitload of laws that will be re-written if that’s the case. :smack: No. I’m saying that calling Gore’s campaign horrible, when he won more or less half of the country, is disengenous. I never said the court decision was invalid. I will, however, say it was partisan, unfair, and fucked beyond all belief. ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/50 "2004-06-24T13:40:30Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > And because that was the only cite I posted. . . No, it wasn’t. You also posted a story from AP that was virtually unchanged in two versions. However, and here’s the rub, neither of those stories used the hyperbole that you or NewsMax engaged in. Let’s have a look, shall we? > [@duffer](#): > > Well, here we go again. The Dems want to quash any dissenting voice, no matter who’s it is. > [@NewsMax](#): > > Democrats Try to Destroy Nader Whereas: > [@USAToday](#): > > Nader again refuses to quit as Democrats plan challenge > [@MSNBC](#): > > Congressional Black Caucus presses Nader > Independent refuses to quit presidential race Y’see the diff? I imagine that you do. Try not to be such a disingenuous ass, and I promise I won’t call you out when you try to use NewsMax as a source, then find the same story barely rewritten to buttress it. Mkay? And inre your rolleyes smiley? Cram it with walnuts, Sparky. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/51 "2004-06-24T13:42:07Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > No. I’m saying that calling Gore’s campaign horrible, when he won more or less half of the country, is disengenous. > > I never said the court decision was invalid. I will, however, say it was partisan, unfair, and fucked beyond all belief. Sign of the times. Name anything in politics these days that isn’t partisan and I’ll buy you a steak dinner. Look at the bright side. In about 4 months we’ll have 4 more years to debate in all the forums. Whoo-hoo! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/52 "2004-06-24T13:47:16Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Well, here we go again. The Dems want to quash any dissenting voice, no matter who’s it is. Yeah, those Democrats, what with their so-called Free Speech Zones and trying to ban Michael Moore’s film and dissappearing of so-called terrorist combatants. So unlike the freedom-loving Pubbies, and their encouragement of free speech. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/53 "2004-06-24T13:48:45Z")
> [@GLWasteful](#): > > No, it wasn’t. You also posted a story from AP that was virtually unchanged in two versions. However, and here’s the rub, neither of those stories used the hyperbole that you or NewsMax engaged in. > > Let’s have a look, shall we? > > Whereas: > > Y’see the diff? I imagine that you do. Try not to be such a disingenuous ass, and I promise I won’t call you out when you try to use NewsMax as a source, then find the same story barely rewritten to buttress it. Mkay? > > And inre your rolleyes smiley? Cram it with walnuts, Sparky. Hey, Spanky, go fuck yourself. Did you notice I said the first was a summary of the next two articles? Oh, they were both AP? Well I guess that explains why they were unchanged. And what hyperbole did “I and NewsMax” engage in? I was just offering 3 seperate articles. Does your bias blind you to open opinion and reporting? What news source should I blindly follow? And to think I semi-respected your other posts. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/54 "2004-06-24T13:50:09Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Sign of the times. Name anything in politics these days that isn’t partisan and I’ll buy you a steak dinner. Umm… The basic design of the American flag? I’m partial to delmonico steak, thanks. If you can’t afford that, I’ll take lobster. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/55 "2004-06-24T13:50:34Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Yeah, those Democrats, what with their so-called Free Speech Zones and trying to ban Michael Moore’s film and dissappearing of so-called terrorist combatants. So unlike the freedom-loving Pubbies, and their encouragement of free speech. So long as the Free Speech Zone isn’t in Arizona right? 😉 And God forbid it involves a Mel Gibson film ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/56 "2004-06-24T13:51:52Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Umm… The basic design of the American flag? I’m partial to delmonico steak, thanks. If you can’t afford that, I’ll take lobster. 😉 Too weak, that gets you a burrito supreme at best! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Blackclaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e68b1a/32.png) [@Blackclaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackclaw)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/57 "2004-06-24T13:52:11Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > This one again? > > FTR I say let him run, and fuck the whiny Dems on this one, we need more choice not less. > > Blame Gore for running a horrible campaign, not Nader for siphoning off votes, and get over it. He has a point. The Democrates should not rely on the bat freaking crazy fringe elements to win. They should be glad that Nader has sucked them away so they don’t have to include goofy crap in their platforms just to placate them. The Republicans have their far right nutballs dictating the direction of the entire party, alienating moderate Republican folks like me. Here’s hoping it backfires enough to toss Bush out. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/58 "2004-06-24T13:55:47Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > And God forbid it involves a Mel Gibson film The Democratic party tried to ban Passion? Or maybe you’re talking about Bird on a Wire, or Mad Max. Fuck all if I know. ---
**Author:** ![Genghis\_Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Genghis\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Genghis_Bob)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/59 "2004-06-24T13:58:24Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] Are you talking about the Gore that won the popular vote by 300,000 votes, and lost Florida by fewer than 200 (questionable) votes, and who lost the SCOTUS vote by one? Is that the Gore that you say ran a horrible campaign? As opposed to the Bush that ran a brilliant campaign, therefore losing the popular vote by 300,000? [QUOTE] In my book, any guy who wins the popular vote by 300,000 people, and still manages to \*\*not \*\* win the Presidency, has run himself a poor campaign. The 2000 election reminded us that it’s not just about the number of votes you get, but where you get 'em. Bush got his 300,000-fewer votes in the “right” states. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-trying-to-skew-another-election/251878/60 "2004-06-24T13:59:24Z")
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