Maybe hordes of seniors in Arizona retirement communities, confused by the new fancy-schmantzy electronic voting machines, pull the lever next to the Bush lever they’d intended to pull and thereby cast an unprecedented number of votes for Ralph Nader, enabling Kerry to take the state’s electoral votes …
Upon reading the title, my immediate response was, “When was the last time the democrats managed to successfully skewed an election?”
- The Presidential election, swung in favour of Kennedy by the mobsters in Chicago.
Skew was the wrong word. Not sure the correct word I should’ve used. Tilt, influence, shape, <insert your own>. rjung, you are one of the Dopers I would expect to decifer the meaning of the OP. I’m not as eloquent as you, but I know you’re not an idiot, no matter whom you vote for
Instead of asking Nader voters to vote Kerry, why don’t Democrats just all band together and vote for Nader? That way, they win the election, and they get someone who will destroy capitalism, restore isolationist trade, micromanage our finances for us, and bring back the 70% tax rate. Win win for everyone.
Because, as a liberal Democrat, I don’t want any of those things. Neither do I want government by corporation, repeal of the Bill of Rights, and uncontrolled deficit spending. That’s why I’m voting for Kerry.
Too many jokes. Check who was making the budgets in the '80s. Remeber, Congress writes the budget for Presidential approval.
Actualy, it’s the other way around. The president proposes a budget which Congress then hacks to pieces. If Reagan’s proposed budgets had been approved by Congress, his second term would have ended with a $130 billion surplus.
Well, perhaps then the 80’s should be remembered for “Congressionomics.”
And when conservative Republicans hold the White House plus both houses of Congress, it results in the largest growth of government in history, largest deficits in history, and the most egregious attacks on personal liberty since the founding of the Republic. The GOP is the party of Big Government, Big Deficits and Big Brother. And all you guys can say is, “Big Deal!” :rolleyes:
No argument here. If Kerry is the fire, Bush is certainly the frying pan.
Nice propaganda / talking points.
The sad truth is that government gets larger no matter who is in charge. Both parties promise to shrink government, but they never do. The Republicans are probably worse than the Democrats in this area, because they always seem to make the loudest claims that they will control government growth.
Guess what? The deficit gets larger under every administration, too. It’s out of control, but it isn’t the fault of either the Democrats or the Republicans. The blame for that can be shared by both as well.
And for egregious attacks on personal liberty, spare me, please. :rolleyes: Has your personal liberty been attacked? If so, how? Mine hasn’t. I don’t know anybody who claims that their personal liberty has been attacked (except terrorists, and well, they started it when they personally attacked several thousand people’s right to live). There is no “Big Brother”,
I don’t know what you mean when you use the term “personal liberty”, but I define it as the absence of coercion. And if you believe that that is the state of affairs, then you are so delusional that you will consider this post to be supportive of your position.
Based on your join date and the number of posts you have, I’d strongly advise against those kind of arguments. Allow myself and a select few others to take the heat on this tact. You’re setting yourself up for a “bad name”. Ignore the warning at your own peril. Just don’t make any excuses for Ashcroft around here. It is NOT welcome. And hi Psycho!
<< The issue the AZ dems have is with the validity of Nader’s signatures. >>
Interesting, ain’t it, that when the democrats use the technical letter of the law to throw out signatures, it’s horrible and skewing the election and destroying the freedom of voters, etc. etc. However, when the Republicans use the technical letter of the law to throw out votes in Florida, it’s obviously the proper use of the law to resolve dispute.
I lament the way that the country has split. Once upon a time, there used to be a great number of “independent” voters who voted for the best candidate, regardless of party. That’s now shrunk to a very very small minority. The Republicans will vote for someone as stupid, incompetent, and incoherent as George W Bush merely because he’s a Republican. The Democrats will vote for someone as uncharismatic, non-leader as Al Gore merely because he’s a Democrat. And the situation has got worse, not better, under our “bringing people together” President. I find it very sad, and I predict still further polarization of the country.
The one I remember is the Dummycrats (new name till I see Pubbies banished) trying to void the absentee ballots the service men and women serving overseas. Anytime veterans (no matter whom they vote for) are silenced, I have a problem with it. Or any other silenced vote. Maybe in 2000 the Dems should have spent less on catering to unions and more on educating people how to properly fill out a ballot?
Thanks, duffer, for making my point far better than I did. Obviously, one side is saintly, holy, perfect, never in error, never wrong. And the other side is obviously satanic, devilish, hideously flawed, always in error, always wrong.
I weep for the country.
Just curious: do you really find “Pubbies”, which seems like just a shortening of the word, as insulting as adding “dummy” to a name? I find this odd.
No, its because they spend more than Democrats.
Transparent revisionist twaddle. Clinton had surpluses, not deficits, for the last four years of his administration, and left a $236 billion surplus when he left office. Bush squandered that, and plunged us into a deficit that may is projected to reach $500 billion by the end of the year.
Tell that to Brandon Mayfield. When innocent people are swept up in the terrorist dragnet, all free citizens have much to fear.
The Democrats did NOT try to void the votes of servicemen from overseas. That’s just the spin-lie that Republicans put on what they were doing. They were trying to void ALL absentee votes that were illegal, such as those that were not post-dated in time. That’s Florida’s own law.
Meanwhile, the Republicans had tried to bar (and in many cases succeeded in barring) people whose names, birthdates, or address had only marginal similarity to convicted felons, who cannot vote in Florida. The electoral rape by the Florida Republican political machine was one of the most insidious scandals in American history. And the fact that blind Republican party affiliates are not outraged by it is evidence that Dex is right. The great American experiment in liberty is practically over.