# Democrats will let terrorists go free **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 17, 2006, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788 "2006-10-17T16:12:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2006, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/41 "2006-10-17T23:45:53Z")
[QUOTE=Kimstu] Oops, that should have been “our Devotion to Godless Humanism”—I always forget to properly capitalize the subheadings in the Official Democrat Dogma. Please don’t report me to our glorious Committee for Politically Correct Orthography! [/QUOTE] Of course you actually _meant_ to type doGma, right? No crypto-monotheism-bashing here, nosirree! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/42 "2006-10-18T00:21:39Z")
And, of course, you are referring to Goddess Almighty, Hostess of Hosts… ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/43 "2006-10-18T00:34:04Z")
**John** , short and sweet: good on you…even if I don’t know know what to make of you politically. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/44 "2006-10-18T00:37:45Z")
[QUOTE=Uncommon Sense] I understand that the Dems would let some of the supposed terrorists go, but I also assume that they intend to expedite the hearings and what-have-you to allow that to happen. Not exactly a get out of jail free card but also not the same as the current situation. [/quote] Given that the majority are likely innocent of anything, that’s the right thing to do. Plus, we should apologize to them and pay them reparations, publically. [QUOTE=Uncommon Sense] Just as no-one was going to phone tap a completely innocent person’s line. [/QUOTE] Of course they will. Specifically, I expect them to heavily tap the phones used by the higher ups in important Democrat’s offices, and their electoral campaigns. I strongly suspect that’s the main reason they wanted such warrentless wiretapping in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/45 "2006-10-18T00:42:36Z")
[QUOTE=RedFury] …even if I don’t know know what to make of you politically. [/QUOTE] **John Mace** is, as far as I can tell, a [utilitarian libertarian](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian) with the odd sharp edge of conservatism sticking out here and there. His political philosophy may be unique to the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/46 "2006-10-18T00:54:32Z")
You mean he’s a flip-flopper? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/47 "2006-10-18T00:58:23Z")
Only way we’re getting **John** down off that fence is to set it on fire. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/48 "2006-10-18T01:04:38Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] I guess you can’t help saying really stupid things when it looks like you’re going to **lose both Houses of Congress** – a distinct possibility now. [/QUOTE] I wish there were an icon for sad laughter. Because the fact is, the Republicans have put themselves in position to lose, and a party that had its shit together could beat the stuffing out of them. But the fact is, the Democrats coud fuck up naptime at this point, to say nothing of a general election. They might make a little ground but they will fail to capture either house in an election that ought to fall in their laps. Another prediction from predictions-R-us. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/49 "2006-10-18T01:28:18Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] And, of course, you are referring to Goddess Almighty, Hostess of Hosts… [/QUOTE] Ain’t She a cupcake, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Lama\_Pacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Lama\_Pacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lama_Pacos)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/50 "2006-10-18T01:33:00Z")
Ugh. It makes me feel utterly sick that we passed this bill at all. A few weeks ago I read a commentary in my Yom Kippur prayerbook that posited that the death of the first born in Exodus was an unfortunate act that was made acceptable because Egyptian society as a whole condoned the torture of innocents. Where does that put us? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/51 "2006-10-18T01:41:05Z")
Sitting quietly in our living rooms, enjoying the patter of frogs on our roof… ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/52 "2006-10-18T01:47:04Z")
A note on the photo linked in the OP: The podium President Bush is sitting at has the Presidential Seal, with a card attached, big letters: “Protecting America”. I don’t recall this sort of blatant reduction of terms on other photo op events. Did I miss something, is this a new trend? Not very classy. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/53 "2006-10-18T01:52:42Z")
> [@BrainWreck](#): > > But the fact is, the Democrats coud fuck up naptime at this point, to say nothing of a general election. They might make a little ground but they will fail to capture either house in an election that ought to fall in their laps. I made the same prediction a couple weeks ago [over here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7839519&postcount=80). The margins may be razor thin, but I don’t see the Pubs actually losing control of either house. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/54 "2006-10-18T01:53:31Z")
[QUOTE=elelle] A note on the photo linked in the OP: The podium President Bush is sitting at has the Presidential Seal, with a card attached, big letters: “Protecting America”. I don’t recall this sort of blatant reduction of terms on other photo op events. Did I miss something, is this a new trend? Not very classy. [/QUOTE] [_MISSION ACCOMPLISHED_](http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/06/10/03/100wir_a2stranger001.cfm) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/55 "2006-10-18T02:10:52Z")
[QUOTE=RedFury] **John** , short and sweet: good on you…even if I don’t know know what to make of you politically. [/QUOTE] Thanks for the first part, and “good” for the second part. I hate labels and like to take each issue separately. For shorthand, I try to say that I lean libertarian or use **Jonathan Chance** ’s phrase: Practical Libertarian. I don’t have much patience for the actual Libertarian Party. They’re just too wierd (to use a technical term). One thing’s for sure-- I don’t want anyone around here to count on me to be on his/her side just because I agree with that person generally or to take the opposite side just because I disagree with that person generally. Hell, I even agree with you from time to time! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/56 "2006-10-18T02:19:10Z")
Yes, I remember that, but this seems more odd, to be attached to the podium like that. The aircraft carrier Mission Acomplished staging was more of a production; this was a of a paste up on the podium during a regular signing of a bill. Do we now get to see a reductionist message with every signing? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/57 "2006-10-18T02:25:01Z")
[QUOTE=Kimstu] I made the same prediction a couple weeks ago [over here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7839519&postcount=80). The margins may be razor thin, but I don’t see the Pubs actually losing control of either house. [/QUOTE] Really? I gotta go with the “big mo”, and the big mo is in favor of the Dems. The Republicans have maybe one week to get the big mo going back in their favor, but the odds of that look slim. And this time around, it’s the Pubbies who are making all the stupid mistakes. One thing I heard on the news today that I hadn’t been aware of: When one party controlls both Houses, it’s unusual for the House to flip if the Senate doesn’t flip. Many pundits have been predicting a flip in the House, but not the Senate. History says that’s unlikely, and it kind of make sense since the Senate races are more easily nationalized than House races are. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/58 "2006-10-18T02:33:22Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] One thing I heard on the news today that I hadn’t been aware of: When one party controlls both Houses, it’s unusual for the House to flip if the Senate doesn’t flip. Many pundits have been predicting a flip in the House, but not the Senate. History says that’s unlikely, and it kind of make sense since the Senate races are more easily nationalized than House races are. [/QUOTE] Huh. That’s both surprising and counter-intuitive. Not to mention against the way the system is designed. Only 1/3 of the Senate is even up for flipping. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/59 "2006-10-18T04:18:51Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Really? I gotta go with the “big mo”, and the big mo is in favor of the Dems. The Republicans have maybe one week to get the big mo going back in their favor, but the odds of that look slim. And this time around, it’s the Pubbies who are making all the stupid mistakes. [/QUOTE] And Dewey will win going away. Incumbents have a big edge and I’m not sure the “Congress is a mess but my guy is OK” attitude has disappeared. In addition so many house districts have been Gerrymandered, such as in Texas, that unless Republicans stay home in large numbers and every single Democrat turns out in the Gerrymandered districts the odds are against the ins losing a lot of seats. Of course it doesn’t take a lot, only 15 house (six senate but the senate is smaller and 6 is a lot), but even that may be too many. And if the Democrats pick up 14 house and 5 senate you can bet that it will be a “resounding ratification of GW’s plan”, whatever that is, by the voters. You guys in the Republican house districts vote early and often and tell your friends that it’s vital that they get off their asses and vote. But don’t put it quite that way. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/60 "2006-10-18T05:19:10Z")
[www.electoral-vote.com](http://www.electoral-vote.com) says… Projected New House\*: 226 Democrats 205 Republicans 4 Ties Senate: 50 Democrats 49 Republicans 1 tie I… think there’s not _much_ chance that the House is not going to go to the Dems. The momentum does seem to be going democratic, based on the polls over time, too. Senate’s still a tricky one. Not sure if they’ll get all 50. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788.md?page=4)