# Democrats will let terrorists go free **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 17, 2006, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788 "2006-10-17T16:12:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/61 "2006-10-18T09:52:08Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] [www.electoral-vote.com](http://www.electoral-vote.com) says… Projected New House\*: 226 Democrats 205 Republicans 4 Ties Senate: 50 Democrats 49 Republicans 1 tie I… think there’s not _much_ chance that the House is not going to go to the Dems. The momentum does seem to be going democratic, based on the polls over time, too. Senate’s still a tricky one. Not sure if they’ll get all 50. [/QUOTE] And if they Do Lieberman may switch to the GOP or go 'neutral" and be a royal pain in the ass to everyone. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/62 "2006-10-18T11:14:23Z")
[QUOTE=DanBlather] And if they Do Lieberman may switch to the GOP or go 'neutral" and be a royal pain in the ass to everyone. [/QUOTE] this is different from his current status quo, how? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/63 "2006-10-18T11:25:25Z")
He’s already said twice that he won’t. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/64 "2006-10-18T11:48:37Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] He’s already said twice that he won’t. [/QUOTE] He’s said a lot of things that have ended up having no bearing on what he says or does later. I think it’s a lock that he will not caucus with the Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/65 "2006-10-18T12:39:03Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] Huh. That’s both surprising and counter-intuitive. Not to mention against the way the system is designed. Only 1/3 of the Senate is even up for flipping. [/QUOTE] I saw that too and was surprised for the same reason. A reversal this year would be particularly stunning, seeing how this third of the Senate has relatively few Republicans compared to the other thirds. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/66 "2006-10-18T13:47:56Z")
[QUOTE=BobLibDem] I saw that too and was surprised for the same reason. A reversal this year would be particularly stunning, seeing how this third of the Senate has relatively few Republicans compared to the other thirds. [/QUOTE] Bodes well for 2008, if the swing away from conservatives holds. If we don’t take the Senate this year, certainly in 2008. Just think what Hillary can do with both house of Congress behind her. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/67 "2006-10-18T14:46:34Z")
[http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/17/lieberman.democrats.ap/](http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/17/lieberman.democrats.ap/) If he flips, he loses seniority. If he stays, he’s pretty assured to keep seniority. … and the trend over time looks like it may be up to 51 Dem by election time. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/68 "2006-10-18T15:40:26Z")
Rule 1. Don’t overexpect. If you follow Rule 1 you will rarely be disheartened. Things will nearly alsways be at least as good as you expected and often will be better. Who would have thought that the electorate would have been gullible enough to fall for the hokey line of Newt Gingrich? Or, for that matter, George W. Bush. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/69 "2006-10-18T16:07:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Democrats will let terrorists go free That’s awful! Much better to [secure them safely in the actual government](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=390680). ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/70 "2006-10-18T17:20:31Z")
As for the balance of power, don’t forget that we have: Saddam’s sentancing, timed to come right before the election Lots of great excuses to declare war with North Korea right before the election [http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061018/NEWS01/610180374](http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061018/NEWS01/610180374) Blackwell (R) to Strickland (D): UR A FAG, LOL! Desperation, thy name is R. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/71 "2006-10-18T18:24:07Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] **John Mace** is, as far as I can tell, a [utilitarian libertarian](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian) with the odd sharp edge of conservatism sticking out here and there. His political philosophy may be unique to the U.S. [/QUOTE] It may be unique, **period**. 😃 **Mace** is OK by me, and not just because he’s bashing a Republican Party action in this thread. He’s OK by me because he speaks up for what he seems to genuinely believe is best for the country. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/72 "2006-10-18T19:16:07Z")
He’s not all that unique, there’s a lot of them. It’s just that they (we?) have tended to be either marginalized, or ignored, by either party. My ‘paleo-conservativism’ is a lot like his utilitarian libertarianism. Ignoring the usual racism of the breed, the point is that the New Deal really is where the tipping point between government of the people and government _over_ the people began. Course, some of it’s all a myth. Hell, you want a Democratic version? Will Rogers. Republican? Robert Heinlein. It’s a pretty all-american type. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/73 "2006-10-18T20:42:45Z")
[QUOTE=elelle] A note on the photo linked in the OP: The podium President Bush is sitting at has the Presidential Seal, with a card attached, big letters: “Protecting America”. I don’t recall this sort of blatant reduction of terms on other photo op events. Did I miss something, is this a new trend? [/QUOTE] Are you kidding? Just about _every_ domestic photo op from this Administration will have a backdrop, sign, or other prop that repeats the main talking point of the event, usually a short phrase that’s repeated. If a wall or backdrop is not available, there’s always an American flag within camera range. My theory is that he has to [keep things simple](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,76753,00.html) for his core audience of low-IQ Fox News viewers. 😉 Examples: [“Corporate Responsibility”](http://www.buffalobeast.com/04/hackworld.htm) [“Americans for Jobs and Growth”](http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/images/20030506-1_d050603-515h.html) [“Strengthening America’s Economy”](http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/04/images/20040415-7_b33s9870-515h.html) [“More Choices for Parents”](http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/images/20040213-6_012t7915-515h.html) [“Jobs for the 21st Century”](http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/images/20040209-6_d020904-515h.html) ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/74 "2006-10-18T20:47:54Z")
[QUOTE=rjung] Examples: [“Corporate Responsibility”](http://www.buffalobeast.com/04/hackworld.htm) [“Americans for Jobs and Growth”](http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/images/20030506-1_d050603-515h.html) [“Strengthening America’s Economy”](http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/04/images/20040415-7_b33s9870-515h.html) [“More Choices for Parents”](http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/images/20040213-6_012t7915-515h.html) [“Jobs for the 21st Century”](http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/images/20040209-6_d020904-515h.html) [/QUOTE] Don’t forget [“Mission Accomplished”](http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/06/10/03/100wir_a2stranger001.cfm). You forgot [“Mission Accomplished”](http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/28/mission.accomplished/). ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/75 "2006-10-18T21:03:43Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] My ‘paleo-conservativism’ is a lot like his utilitarian libertarianism. [/QUOTE] I understand what it _actually_ stands for, but I need to interject here that the term “paleo-conservative” makes me think of cavemen demonstrating outside an abortion clinic. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/76 "2006-10-18T21:28:43Z")
Gog smash! (Gog maintains plausible retaliatory capacity…) Gog hunt! (Entreprenuerial capitalism is the cornerstone of civilization…) Gog fuck! (Anything that doesn’t move quick enough…) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/77 "2006-10-19T04:32:29Z")
It got worse. No, really. Worse. Two words oughta do it: Mehlman and Rove. Maggots snub them in public. If one of them were to tumble into the Mississippi at St. Paul, it would be nothing but dead catfish all the way to St. Louis. They are twin weeping pustules on a leper’s chancre. Rove, AKA the Pillsbury DeathBoy > **[Rove foresees GOP victory](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/oct/18/20061018-123042-6508r/)** > > White House political strategist Karl Rove yesterday confidently predicted that the Republican Party would hold the House and the Senate in next month’s elections, dismissing fallout from the sex scandal involving former Rep. Mark Foley. > [@](#): > > …“I think they have given us here, especially in the last couple of weeks, a potent set of votes to talk about. You had 90 percent of House Democrats voting against the terrorist-surveillance program, nearly three-quarters of Senate Democrats and 80 percent of House Democrats voting against the terrorist-interrogation act. Something is fundamentally flawed.”… Melman (in an e-mail to RNC members): > [@](#): > > …“There is nothing more important than protecting the American people and ensuring that we have the intelligence we need to stop attacks on our homeland. The vast majority of Democrats in Congress did not agree. Shockingly, 84% of the Democrats in the House voted against interrogating terrorists, as did 73% of the Democrats in the Senate.”… What is more personally distressing is the certainty that both of these men are justly damned, and are going to straight to Hell. I may have to make other arrangements. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/78 "2006-10-19T05:07:20Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] What is more personally distressing is the certainty that both of these men are justly damned, and are going to straight to Hell. I may have to make other arrangements. [/QUOTE] Yes, they will give hell, as popularly conceived, a bad name. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/79 "2006-10-19T13:59:25Z")
> [@](#): > > “Shockingly, 84% of the Democrats in the House voted against interrogating terrorists, as did 73% of the Democrats in the Senate.” Serious question. Why can’t these guys be sued for libel for saying such things? Where is the line between spin and bald-faced lie? ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788/80 "2006-10-19T23:21:50Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] It got worse. No, really. Worse. [/QUOTE] Two more for the fun stack! [list] [li][California GOP candidate sends letters warning Hispanics they “will be deported” if they vote](http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/15791512.htm)[/li] [li][Conservatives trying to tie Democratic candidates to NAMBLA](http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/19/conservatives-using-pro-pedophilia-group-to-tar-opponents/)[/li] Two more weeks until the election, kids! How much more slime can they pump out? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-will-let-terrorists-go-free/376788.md?page=5)