# Dems challenging election - don't they care? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109 "2016-12-07T13:58:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/21 "2016-12-07T17:03:18Z")
There was sufficient evidence of foreign powers involved in the election that it’s not unreasonable to suspect that there was tampering with the election itself. This is not to say that this happened, but if there is even the reasonable suspicion that it happened, for the integrity of the democratic process itself, it makes absolute sense to double check. Considering the electoral winner himself has declared that there was (not might be, but was) a sufficient amount of fraud to sway the election, I can’t understand any argument that recounts should not take place. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/22 "2016-12-07T17:07:37Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I think it’s entirely possible that the election was stolen. Across multiple states (MI, OH, PA, WI, FL), with poll watchers, across many precincts, with a decentralized election system, without a single person catching on and no one blowing the whistle? That’s 9/11 Truther stuff right there. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/23 "2016-12-07T17:08:03Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Please let me know about Electors being personally hassled. [http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/308226-electoral-college-voter-gets-death-threats-over-vote](http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/308226-electoral-college-voter-gets-death-threats-over-vote) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/24 "2016-12-07T17:09:10Z")
I think Velocity nailed it. The Democrats that think the election was hacked and stolen from Hillary are 9/11-Truther-levels of batshit crazy. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/25 "2016-12-07T17:09:14Z")
Fiveyearlurker basically wins hands down. If the winner thinks the process was rigged, who can blame the loser for thinking so too? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/26 "2016-12-07T17:09:44Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Across multiple states (MI, OH, PA, WI, FL), with poll watchers, across many precincts, with a decentralized election system, without a single person catching on and no one blowing the whistle? That’s 9/11 Truther stuff right there. Trump said the election was rigged. Trump said there were millions of illegal voters. There’s only _one_ way he could know for sure. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/27 "2016-12-07T17:11:12Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Trump said the election was rigged. Trump said there were millions of illegal voters. There’s only _one_ way he could know for sure. Do we now believe Trump only says something when he’s certain it’s true? Is he infallible? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/28 "2016-12-07T17:12:13Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Fiveyearlurker basically wins hands down. If the winner thinks the process was rigged, who can blame the loser for thinking so too? The loser, Hillary, doesn’t think it was rigged. It’s her batshit crazy supporters that think it was rigged. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/29 "2016-12-07T17:16:06Z")
What a difference four years-- heck, five weeks-- make. Democrats don’t care because it’s in their best interest to deligitimize Trump’s win-- this is why they’re focused on irrelevant things (the popular vote) or are trying to find every way they can to prevent Trump from being sworn into office (rioting, whining, trying to get EC voters to flip, recounts, etc.)-- it’s all means to an end for people for people unwilling to accept the results of the election. Democrats as a whole have given up any pretense of caring about a fair election; they only care that Trump doesn’t win. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/30 "2016-12-07T17:19:44Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > The Democrats who are using all means to overturn the election result, don’t they care about the consequences if they succeed? Do they honestly think Hillary will become President and all will be well with the world? The fact is that the country could well descend into the worst violence since the Civil War. Are they really happy to risk that? OK, their candidate lost. But are they willing to potentially let slip the dogs of war rather than see Trump in office? It seems so and that is just sad. The putative President-elect just claimed that millions of votes were cast illegally for Hillary Clinton. Don’t you think massive unprecedented electoral fraud like that needs to be investigated? I understand you guys managed to win even though the Democrats almost pulled off the most massive fraud in history, but what about next time? Or do you think he was full of shit, as per usual, and we should ignore his bullshit, as per usual? Yeah, I thought so. Except your guy is about to be the the president, so how exactly are we supposed to ignore him? ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/31 "2016-12-07T17:20:06Z")
It depends which Democrats you are talking about. To quote my sister, “We must do everything possible to prevent Trump from becoming president. He is a monster!” ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/32 "2016-12-07T17:22:07Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > What a difference four years-- heck, five weeks-- make. > > Democrats don’t care because it’s in their best interest to deligitimize Trump’s win-- this is why they’re focused on irrelevant things (the popular vote) or are trying to find every way they can to prevent Trump from being sworn into office (rioting, whining, trying to get EC voters to flip, recounts, etc.)-- it’s all means to an end for people for people unwilling to accept the results of the election. > > Democrats as a whole have given up any pretense of caring about a fair election; they only care that Trump doesn’t win. If you cared about the future of our country, you’d hope that there was some way that Trump wouldn’t become president. Because Trump is going to be a gold-plated disaster, and you know it. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/33 "2016-12-07T17:26:37Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > What a difference four years-- heck, five weeks-- make. > > Democrats don’t care because it’s in their best interest to deligitimize Trump’s win-- this is why they’re focused on irrelevant things (the popular vote) or are trying to find every way they can to prevent Trump from being sworn into office (rioting, whining, trying to get EC voters to flip, recounts, etc.)-- it’s all means to an end for people for people unwilling to accept the results of the election. > > Democrats as a whole have given up any pretense of caring about a fair election; they only care that Trump doesn’t win. You know. The Democrats realize how inept Trump is ahd how much damage he will do to the country. He isn’t in office yet and he’s already pissed off the Chinese. What are you going to do when you can’t get replacement parts to repair your car because old Hamster-fists taught them a lesson? (yes most are now made in China) The problem is that this moron assumes he can bully the world with his financial prowess. Unfortunately the idiot has been saved too many times by filing bankruptcy, an option not available to him on a global level. He’ll lie and blame the vocal majority for not supporting him, because illegal aliens and creatures from Mars stacked the deck against him. And his supporters will believe him. Trump won’t run in 2020 because he ego will not be able to accept how badly he divided a country. He will never overcome his destiny, that is, to be known as the biggest mistake American has ever made. He’ll never see it before it smacks him in his orange, moon-shaped mug. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/34 "2016-12-07T17:30:41Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Trump won’t run in 2020 because he ego will not be able to accept how badly he divided a country. He will never overcome his destiny, that is, to be known as the biggest mistake American has ever made. He’ll never see it before it smacks him in his orange, moon-shaped mug. That sounds a lot like the same sort of thinking that led people to say “he’ll never be the nominee” and “he’ll never win the Presidency”. ETA: Personally, I don’t think I’ll make bold predictions about the things Trump will “never” do anymore. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/35 "2016-12-07T17:34:16Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Do we now believe Trump only says something when he’s certain it’s true? Is he infallible? Remember, he tells it like it is? Unless he knows for a fact, it was beyond irresponsible to claim the election was rigged. Or that there are millions of illegal voters. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/36 "2016-12-07T17:37:31Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Across multiple states (MI, OH, PA, WI, FL), with poll watchers, across many precincts, with a decentralized election system, without a single person catching on and no one blowing the whistle? That’s 9/11 Truther stuff right there. Well, let’s just see how the recounts go. If they’re allowed to continue. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/37 "2016-12-07T17:38:01Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Unless he knows for a fact, it was beyond irresponsible to claim the election was rigged. Do you consider either of these quotes “beyond irresponsible”? > [@BobLibDem](#): > > I think it’s entirely possible that the election was stolen. > [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > There was sufficient evidence of foreign powers involved in the election that it’s not unreasonable to suspect that there was tampering with the election itself. This is not to say that this happened, but if there is even the reasonable suspicion that it happened … ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/38 "2016-12-07T17:39:00Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Remember, he tells it like it is? Unless he knows for a fact, it was beyond irresponsible to claim the election was rigged. Or that there are millions of illegal voters. Like it is? Does he ever tell the truth? Seriously. I don’t think it’s possible to count his lies. I don’t mean bending the truth, I mean outright, bold-faced lies. This should tell even his most ardent supporter something about his character. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/39 "2016-12-07T17:39:03Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Well, let’s just see how the recounts go. If they’re allowed to continue. Last I hear Trump had gained three votes in the Wisconsin recount. Any news since then? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/40 "2016-12-07T17:42:17Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Does he ever tell the truth? Yes. He said he was going to win the election, and he did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109.md?page=3)