# Dems challenging election - don't they care? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109 "2016-12-07T13:58:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/41 "2016-12-07T17:44:37Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yes. He said he was going to win the election, and he did. I guess you’re right. This [site](http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien) agrees with you. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/42 "2016-12-07T17:44:57Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > If you cared about the future of our country, you’d hope that there was some way that Trump wouldn’t become president. Because Trump is going to be a gold-plated disaster, and you know it. Actually, I don’t know that. I think he’ll do fine. Not great but not horrible, either. As long as he repeals and replaces the ACA, enforces the border, makes an effort to reign in entitlement spending, appoints conservatives justices and doesn’t get us embroiled in more useless wars, I’ll be happy. > [@Morgenstern](#): > > You know. The Democrats realize how inept Trump is ahd how much damage he will do to the country. > > He isn’t in office yet and he’s already pissed off the Chinese. What are you going to do when you can’t get replacement parts to repair your car because old Hamster-fists taught them a lesson? (yes most are now made in China) The problem is that this moron assumes he can bully the world with his financial prowess. Unfortunately the idiot has been saved too many times by filing bankruptcy, an option not available to him on a global level. He’ll lie and blame the vocal majority for not supporting him, because illegal aliens and creatures from Mars stacked the deck against him. And his supporters will believe him. China isn’t going to do anything besides write strongly worded letters. They aren’t going to wreck their already fragile economy to get involved in a trade/actual war with the US. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/43 "2016-12-07T17:46:45Z")
I don’t think this is going to hurt the Democrats. To the extent that the general public is even following the recount business, it’s pretty widely reported that there is almost no chance of the election being overturned. I think everyone assumes it’s a done deal, and since it’s being driven by Stein, it’s largely a side issue. She’s paying for the recounts, right, so it’s not costing the taxpayers anything. Ironically, I heard on the news that she’s raised more money for the recount in just a few weeks than she raised for entire campaign. Only in America!! ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/44 "2016-12-07T17:48:38Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > What a difference four years-- heck, five weeks-- make. > > Democrats don’t care because it’s in their best interest to deligitimize Trump’s win-- this is why they’re focused on irrelevant things (the popular vote) or are trying to find every way they can to prevent Trump from being sworn into office (rioting, whining, trying to get EC voters to flip, recounts, etc.)-- it’s all means to an end for people for people unwilling to accept the results of the election. > > Democrats as a whole have given up any pretense of caring about a fair election; they only care that Trump doesn’t win. What a different a few years makes, indeed. I vividly recall Republicans grousing that Bill Clinton wasn’t fairly elected as President in 1992 because he only got 42 or 43 percent of the vote. Now we have Republicans gleefully cheering the wisdom of the Framers in making the popular vote irrelevant. > [@aldiboronti](#): > > Do they honestly think Hillary will become President and all will be well with the world? The fact is that the country could well descend into the worst violence since the Civil War. If a bunch of whackos take to the streets to murder people as a result of the court case, the answer is to arrest or shoot the people who are revolting, as opposed to telling others that they should not be allowed to access the courts in certain circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/45 "2016-12-07T17:52:14Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > What a different a few years makes, indeed. I vividly recall Republicans grousing that Bill Clinton wasn’t fairly elected as President in 1992 because he only got 42 or 43 percent of the vote. Now we have Republicans gleefully cheering the wisdom of the Framers in making the popular vote irrelevant. Yup, and 6 weeks ago the idea that the election might be rigged was laughed at by the Left. Now it’s a real possibility and we should very carefully study the issue to make sure it didn’t happen. Remember #EightIsNotEnough? I suspect the Left will promptly forget that rallying cry by January, when suddenly the filibuster will be sacrosanct again. ETA: Politics does this to both sides. They take a position when it benefits them, and reverse themselves when it doesn’t. Democrats do it. Republicans do it. It’s just the nature of politics. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/46 "2016-12-07T17:53:02Z")
For those who claim that the election was rigged for Trump, I would like to ask how they explain that that same rigging mechanism wasn’t put into play for Romney 4 years earlier against Obama. Was the vote-rigging machine only completed and put through its paces in the past few years? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/47 "2016-12-07T17:54:44Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > … > China isn’t going to do anything besides write strongly worded letters. They aren’t going to wreck their already fragile economy to get involved in a trade/actual war with the US. Really. And you know this because? Will they ignore sanctions against North Korea? Build more islands and fortify them? Increase their offensive space based capabilities? Increase their military spending? Is any of this really in the best interest of the US? What about your iPhone, Apple is screwed without China, but China can build a knockoff in a heartbeat. Trump’s war on China trade will destroy any economic recovery in the US, probably world wide. Trump’s ego thinks he’ll win against the Asian mindset. Ain’t gonna happen. I think you better rethink this, you’re not seeing all there is to it. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/48 "2016-12-07T18:01:51Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > … their offensive space based capabilities? I know this is pedantic, but China doesn’t have any offensive space-_based_ capabilities. They proved they can blow up a satellite, but that capability is _based_ here on earth. They don’t have any weapons _based_ in space. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/49 "2016-12-07T18:16:27Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Do we now believe Trump only says something when he’s certain it’s true? Is he infallible? Democrats have suggested minor concerns that the election was hacked. Trump seems to have major concerns, and even certainty, that the election was unfair, which has been either tacitly or overtly agreed with by the GOP leadership. When both sides agree, there is no controversy. Confirm the votes. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/50 "2016-12-07T18:21:10Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Do you consider either of these quotes “beyond irresponsible”? Neither of those quotes was said by the president elect of the United States. Don’t you think he needs to be a little bit more responsible about what he says than a couple of random internet messageboard posters? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/51 "2016-12-07T18:26:17Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > The Democrats who are using all means to overturn the election result Other than random people on message boards and in blog comments sections, who are “the Democrats who are using all means to overturn the election result”? Hillary? Nancy Pelosi? Chuck Schumer? FWIW, the recounts originate with Jill Stein and the Green Party, not with the Dems. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/52 "2016-12-07T18:29:21Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Neither of those quotes was said by the president elect of the United States. Don’t you think he needs to be a little bit more responsible about what he says than a couple of random internet messageboard posters? Yes, he _should_ be. I don’t know that he _will_ be. Anyways, I don’t think that it excuses the hyperbole by posters here. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/53 "2016-12-07T18:40:27Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Why do you care if the cops search your house? If you have nothing to hide, you would welcome the opportunity to prove it? If the Democrats are willing to waste good money on bet with near ZERO opportunity of panning out, why shouldn’t the Republicans protest, too? That’s the way the game is played, and it would be exactly the same if the rolls were reversed. If the police follow the law and get a subpoena to search my house, then I will stand aside and let them search my house. If the law allows for recounts under certain circumstances, and a political candidate follows the proper legal procedures to initiate a recount, then she gets a recount. I would not let the police search my house absent a subpoena, and Jill Stein shouldn’t get a recount if she fails to follow the legally mandated path to obtain one. Seems simple enough to me. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/54 "2016-12-07T18:44:02Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yes, he _should_ be. I don’t know that he _will_ be. Anyways, I don’t think that it excuses the hyperbole by posters here. The point is, political bluster by a guy in a bar (or on an Internet message board) doesn’t matter, beyond the immediate confines of the discussion. The same words from the mouth of the President-elect matter big time. Boeing’s stock price isn’t going to tumble just because I said something stupid. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/55 "2016-12-07T18:48:15Z")
If I have reason suspect the subpoena is not valid, or that I can legally challenge it then I’m going to challenge it. I’m not going to say: I have nothing to hide, so what do I care? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/56 "2016-12-07T18:50:00Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I know this is pedantic, but China doesn’t have any offensive space-_based_ capabilities. They proved they can blow up a satellite, but that capability is _based_ here on earth. They don’t have any weapons _based_ in space. Not so. Pentagon Reports On China’s Satellite Killers _The report discusses three apparent tests of Chinese anti-satellite systems (ASAT), not just the well-known two. Everyone knows about China’s 2007 test when it destroyed its own defunct satellite, scattering debris that continues to orbit the planet and threaten space assets of every country. A fair number of people know that in 2014, China conducted what the Pentagon called a “successful” test of the same system, albeit without actually destroying a target, to everyone’s relief._ > **[Pentagon Reports On China's Satellite Killers - Breaking Defense](http://breakingdefense.com/2015/05/pentagon-reports-on-chinas-satellite-killers/)** > > WASHINGON: From space weapons to armed drones, Chinese technology is accelerating into worrying new arenas, warns the Pentagon’s annual report on Chinese military power. But that doesn’t mean China is overtaking the US, a leading space expert... How are you going to feel when they take out the GPS satellites? Communication satellites? Even your Satellite radio and tv satellites. _Chinese military doctrine sees counter-space weapons as “central” to what they call “informationalized” warfare,_ I think the Trump mindset that America is untouchable is another of his lunatic beliefs. Winning isn’t the issue, as clearly, there would be no winner. The issue is whether this clown has the temperament to avoid confrontations. Avoiding is how we win, not confrontation and old hamster-fisted’s rhetoric. ETA: _Both Washington and Beijing are party to the Outer Space Treaty of 1967 (Beijing signed in 1983), although the treaty’s vague wording fails even to define “outer space.” Moreover, the treaty does not legally prohibit interference with other satellites or the use of non-nuclear ASATs._ [China’s Offensive Space Capability.](https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/chinas-offensive-space-capability) There goes our spy satellites. Too bad the SR-71 is retired. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/57 "2016-12-07T19:15:29Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > If I have reason suspect the subpoena is not valid, or that I can legally challenge it then I’m going to challenge it. I’m not going to say: I have nothing to hide, so what do I care? If I have reason to suspect the results are not valid, or that I can legally challenge them then I’m going to challenge them. Unless this is just about keeping the cops out of your house, which seems completely irrelevant to the subject at hand. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/58 "2016-12-07T20:03:56Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Remember #EightIsNotEnough? Nope. No clue what you’re talking about. It is a raunchy parody of the late '70s TV show? > [@](#): > > ETA: Politics does this to both sides. They take a position when it benefits them, and reverse themselves when it doesn’t. Democrats do it. Republicans do it. It’s just the nature of politics. I think you meant to address this to **OMG** , who is shocked – SHOCKED – by those perfidious liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/59 "2016-12-07T20:15:30Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Really. And you know this because? > > Will they ignore sanctions against North Korea? Build more islands and fortify them? Increase their offensive space based capabilities? Increase their military spending? Is any of this really in the best interest of the US? > > What about your iPhone, Apple is screwed without China, but China can build a knockoff in a heartbeat. > > Trump’s war on China trade will destroy any economic recovery in the US, probably world wide. Trump’s ego thinks he’ll win against the Asian mindset. Ain’t gonna happen. > > I think you better rethink this, you’re not seeing all there is to it. China (and Russia) are woefully behind the US militarily. China, iirc, has not fought a war in about 20 or more years. KJU being unhinged and pointing missile at SK and Japan doesn’t benefit China in the least as it gives those countries reason to have closer ties to the US-- which China doesn’t want. China can sabre rattle (and as I said when this came up, I’m 100% for opposing their Island building in the SCS), but given their current economic trend, I’m not at all worried about them retaliating against the US. If they haven’t retaliated over our arms sales to Taiwan, they’re not going to do so over a phone call. I don’t expect China to do anything other then moan. It’ll be forgotten in a few weeks, if it’s not already. …Oh, and Apple sucks. > [@Ravenman](#): > > NI think you meant to address this to **OMG** , who is shocked – SHOCKED – by those perfidious liberals. I’m gonna go find your posts from the aftermath of the 2012 election. Your tune has changed completely. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109/60 "2016-12-07T20:30:03Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Like it is? Does he ever tell the truth? Seriously. I don’t think it’s possible to count his lies. I don’t mean bending the truth, I mean outright, bold-faced lies. This should tell even his most ardent supporter something about his character. Yes, but Crooked Hitlery had a private email server and is thus History’s Greatest Monster. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-challenging-election-dont-they-care/774109.md?page=4)