# Dems - Defend your Senators holding the budget bill hostage **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 19, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968 "2018-01-19T14:29:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/481 "2018-01-23T18:31:37Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > …and stop insisting that ‘compromise’ means they get everything they want and the opposition gets nothing. (post shortened) You seem confused. I never said that. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/482 "2018-01-23T18:34:04Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Democrats together with most Republicans would be able to pass anything. The fact of the matter is that it is Democrats that were refusing to pass a continuing resolution (not even a budget, a continuing resolution) that gave them CHIP funding for 6 years. It was Democrats employing the filibuster to prevent legislation that would have funded the government, so yes I blame the minority party for pretty much any shutdown. I don’t think this shutdown was as bad as the one over repealing Obamacare but its still a Democratic shutdown. So President Trump got it wrong when he said that it was ultimately the responsibility of the President? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/483 "2018-01-23T18:39:04Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > Except the “needs” affected by the shutdown are minor inconveniences, or at worst a temporary suspension of pay. While the DACA recipients are facing the prospect from deportation from the country they grew up in. I’m 100% on board with their rights being a higher priority than my paycheck (I’m a non-exempt civil servant). (underline added) Of course you are. More and more Democrats are proving that they believe that non-citizens are more important than citizens. Illegal aliens are more important than law-abiding, honest, citizens. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/484 "2018-01-23T18:41:22Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (underline added) > > Of course you are. More and more Democrats are proving that they believe that non-citizens are more important than citizens. Illegal aliens are more important than law-abiding, honest, citizens. Cribbed from the Faux News talking points. Congratulations, you are well-informed on conservative fantasies! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/485 "2018-01-23T18:43:30Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > You seem confused. I never said that. You seem confused. I never said you said that. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/486 "2018-01-23T18:45:19Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > … How many generations do you think should have to pay? … Just the ones that came here illegally, and I’m even fairly non-committal on that (meaning that I don’t mind if a deal gets worked out where they can stay). ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/487 "2018-01-23T19:48:40Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So President Trump got it wrong when he said that it was ultimately the responsibility of the President? I posted his quote on all Social Media posts over the weekend. It was a great way to get dumb people to shut up 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/488 "2018-01-23T20:15:34Z")
nevermind ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/489 "2018-01-23T21:20:22Z")
Something sensible out of Washington, wow, that’s a relief. When it comes to funding for a mythical wall, I say we (quoting the Floyd) “make the bugger’s eyes water”. “Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer took funding for President Donald Trump’s border wall off the table in negotiations over immigration issues with the White House, according to a Democratic aide. A staffer who works for Schumer called the White House on Monday and said the proposal, which Schumer put on the table during a Friday meeting with Trump, was no longer operative, the aide said.” > **[Schumer takes funding for Trump’s border wall off table](https://wgntv.com/news/schumer-takes-funding-for-trumps-border-wall-off-table/)** > > WASHINGTON — Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer took funding for President Donald Trump’s border wall off the table in negotiations over immigration issues with the White House, acc… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/490 "2018-01-23T21:54:08Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Something sensible out of Washington, wow, that’s a relief. When it comes to funding for a mythical wall, I say we (quoting the Floyd) “make the bugger’s eyes water”. ♬ _All in all you’re just Another prick with no wall_ ♬ Stolen from a protest sign. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/491 "2018-01-23T22:22:22Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Something sensible out of Washington, wow, that’s a relief. When it comes to funding for a mythical wall, I say we (quoting the Floyd) “make the bugger’s eyes water”. > > “Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer took funding for President Donald Trump’s border wall off the table in negotiations over immigration issues with the White House, according to a Democratic aide. A staffer who works for Schumer called the White House on Monday and said the proposal, which Schumer put on the table during a Friday meeting with Trump, was no longer operative, the aide said.” > [http://wgntv.com/2018/01/23/schumer-takes-funding-for-trumps-border-wall-off-table/](http://wgntv.com/2018/01/23/schumer-takes-funding-for-trumps-border-wall-off-table/) People keep insisting Schumer lost this round when in reality he got 6 years of CHIP for a 3 week CR, which completely knee caps the GOP talking points. Trump said no to wall funding and vastly increased military spending. Now the wall is off the table and they don’t have the lives of American children to hold hostage. Not to mention McConnell blocking McCaskills bill for military pay. Now its DACA vs the wall in the next showdown, that is a MUCH better hand for the Democrats. I don’t see how this is anything but an absolute win. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/492 "2018-01-23T22:31:08Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > People keep insisting Schumer lost this round when in reality he got 6 years of CHIP for a 3 week CR, which completely knee caps the GOP talking points. Trump said no to wall funding and vastly increased military spending. Now the wall is off the table and they don’t have the lives of American children to hold hostage. Not to mention McConnell blocking McCaskills bill for military pay. Now its DACA vs the wall in the next showdown, that is a MUCH better hand for the Democrats. I don’t see how this is anything but an absolute win. Hmm. DACA has no chance of passing. Even if the Senate _did_ pass such a bill, Ryan has already pretty clearly stated that the House won’t. And then Trump will sign it? Yeah, good luck with that. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/493 "2018-01-23T22:32:05Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > People keep insisting Schumer lost this round … I’ve been surprised how strongly this narrative has developed in the media. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/494 "2018-01-23T22:35:07Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Hmm. DACA has no chance of passing. Even if the Senate _did_ pass such a bill, Ryan has already pretty clearly stated that the House won’t. > > And then Trump will sign it? Yeah, good luck with that. And then we got another shudown, except this time they don’t have the CHIP err chip to play. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/495 "2018-01-23T22:59:57Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > An excellent question for their employers. Do the workers bear _any_ responsibility, in your view? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/496 "2018-01-24T03:00:08Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > And then we got another shudown, except this time they don’t have the CHIP err chip to play. And Pubbies won’t budge, and Trump won’t budge, and the shutdown will draw out, and the longer it goes on the worse approval will get for Dems and the more they will be blamed for it. This is a /facepalm for Dems, and they walked right into it. I’m sure Trump and McConnell are both laughing, though not together. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/497 "2018-01-24T15:08:53Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > And Pubbies won’t budge, and Trump won’t budge, and the shutdown will draw out, and the longer it goes on the worse approval will get for Dems and the more they will be blamed for it. > > This is a /facepalm for Dems, and they walked right into it. I’m sure Trump and McConnell are both laughing, though not together. I have no idea why you think that, Republicans get blamed for shutdowns by default, even more so now that they don’t have CHIP to use as a hostage. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/498 "2018-01-24T16:36:18Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Do the workers bear _any_ responsibility, in your view? Do they bear _all_ the responsibility, in your view? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/499 "2018-01-24T18:18:39Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Do they bear _all_ the responsibility, in your view? Personally, I suspect it’s some combination of fraudulent documents / identity theft by the DACA participants and look-the-other-way by the employers. In some individual cases, it might be all on the DACA participant or all on the employer, but looking at the two groups across many cases, I’d be shocked if we didn’t find a bit of both bearing at least some responsibility. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/500 "2018-01-24T18:24:34Z")
I think this is the clearest indication yet that the Dems lost the shutdown fight: [Dems sour on shutdown tactics](http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/370411-dems-sour-on-shutdown-tactics) > [@](#): > > Senate Democrats say there’s no appetite in their caucus for forcing another government shutdown if Republicans refuse to agree to an immigration deal by a March 5 deadline. > > … > > “We’re not talking in those terms. We’re talking in positive terms,” Durbin said. “Moving forward with the promised procedure from Sen. McConnell.” > > Asked about the prospect of Democrats blocking a funding bill again to pressure Republicans to agree to an immigration deal, Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) said, “I wouldn’t anticipate that would be the case at all.” > > A third Democratic senator said, “My instinct is a shutdown is off the table.” > > “Shutdowns don’t work,” the lawmaker added. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968.md?page=26)