# Denial of Juul **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 23, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688 "2022-06-23T18:09:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688/1 "2022-06-23T18:09:08Z")
Looks like a lot of nicotine addicts are going to need a new source for their fix: > **[The FDA orders Juul to pull all of its vaping products from the U.S. market](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/23/1106846310/juul-fda-vaping-e-cigarettes)** > > The company "will finally be held accountable for creating the youth vaping epidemic," the advocacy group Parents Against Vaping e-cigarettes told NPR. Juul said it plans to fight the decision. Somewhere out there at this very moment, people are stocking up to be shady back-alley vape pen dealers, the picked-on nerds of the illicit drug world. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688/2 "2022-06-23T18:21:08Z")
I’m puzzled why the FDA is going after Juul in particular, when it seems there’s plenty of blame to go around the vaping industry when it comes to “creating the youth vaping epidemic”. Maybe it’s because they’re the biggest target when it comes to profiting off hooking a new generation on nicotine? From the FDA’s news release: “As the FDA has stated in the past, unauthorized electronic nicotine delivery system (ENDS) products for which no application is pending, including for example, those with an MDO (Marketing Denial Order), are among our highest enforcement priorities. Therefore, the FDA encourages retailers to discuss products in their inventory with their suppliers including the current status of any particular tobacco product’s marketing application or marketing authorization. Manufacturers will be the best source of that information and retailers should rely on manufacturers directly to inform decisions about which products to continue selling.” Riiight…surely vape makers (including their shadier colleagues) are _prime_ sources of accurate information about compliance with regulations. Hey, how about having retailers _contact the FDA_ to see who’s following the rules? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688/3 "2022-06-23T18:31:08Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Somewhere out there at this very moment, people are stocking up to be shady back-alley vape pen dealers, the picked-on nerds of the illicit drug world. That market already exists. You can (at least last time I checked, which was a while ago) see listings for standard vape pens/e-cigs with standard e-juice in the dark web. In fact, there’s listings there for quite a few legal things that, I assume, are only there because of restrictions that prevent a certain group of people (ie minors, people in certain states etc). > [@Jackmannii](#): > > I’m puzzled why the FDA is going after Juul in particular, I was wondering the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688/4 "2022-06-23T18:43:26Z")
According to this, the FDA’s reason is that they failed to show that it’s safe for users. The whole “youth vaping epidemic” part seems to come from other groups aimed at stopping the youth vaping epidemic. [FDA orders Juul e-cigarettes off the market over safety concerns - The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/06/23/juul-banned-fda/) [FDA orders Juul to pull its vaping products from U.S. market : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/23/1106846310/juul-fda-vaping-e-cigarettes) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688/5 "2022-06-23T18:52:13Z")
No vaping-device manufacturer has shown that it’s safe for users, because it’s not. We all knew that already. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688/6 "2022-06-23T18:59:12Z")
Sounds like a good thing to me. That shit be nasty! ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688/7 "2022-06-23T19:03:01Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I’m puzzled why the FDA is going after Juul in particular Other stories about this have seemed to imply that former FDA Director Scott Gottlieb kind of had a personal vendetta against Juul. From the Washington Post article linked above: > Juul’s problems with the agency began in 2018, when data showed a huge increase in teenage vaping, fueling a backlash from regulators. Scott Gottlieb, who was then FDA commissioner, [publicly blamed Juul](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/fda-chief-calls-youth-use-of-juul-other-e-cigarettes-an-epidemic/2018/09/12/ddaa6612-b5c8-11e8-a7b5-adaaa5b2a57f_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_40) for setting off a youth vaping epidemic. He was infuriated when the tobacco giant Altria bought a 35 percent stake in Juul at the end of that year. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688/8 "2022-06-23T19:12:02Z")
Why haven’t we banned cigarettes from the US market, using this logic? (The real reason: Because all the cigarette users would revolt, and a lot of them have guns.) ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688/9 "2022-06-23T19:43:49Z")
And Prohibition worked SO well for alcohol in the 20s, drugs in the present… ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688/10 "2022-06-24T00:01:35Z")
During the push to ban smoking in public spaces, I recall smoking advocates griping that governments should just ban cigarettes to get what they wanted, bringing up the downside of Prohibition. Strangely enough, we’ve weathered public smoking bans, restaurants and bars haven’t disappeared from the landscape, and health benefits have been achieved. All without “Prohibition”. “Denial of Juul” is rumored to be the next movie in the _Star Trek_ series. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688/11 "2022-06-24T00:19:11Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > “Denial of Juul” is rumored to be the next movie in the _Star Trek_ series. > **[The Jewel of the Nile](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jewel_of_the_Nile)** > > The Jewel of the Nile is a 1985 American action-adventure romantic comedy film directed by Lewis Teague and produced by Michael Douglas, who also starred in the lead role, reuniting with co-stars Kathleen Turner and Danny DeVito, reprising their roles from the 1984 action-adventure film Romancing the Stone. > Like Romancing the Stone, the opening scene takes place in one of Joan's novels. This time, instead of Jesse and Angelina in Joan's wild-west scenario, Joan and Jack are about to be married w... ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688/12 "2022-06-24T00:28:33Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > “Denial of Juul” is rumored to be the next movie in the _Star Trek_ series. ⁢ Funny. My brain went to _Ghostbusters_. Now they have to deal with the sister. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688/13 "2022-06-24T01:00:31Z")
Sure, it’s bad for you in the same way caffeine is bad for you. It’s nowhere near as bad as smoking though. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688/14 "2022-06-24T01:00:48Z")
Channelling _Ghostbusters_: > [@](#): > > I am the Lung-clogger!! > > And I am the Vape-sucker!! ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688/15 "2022-06-24T01:17:58Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Strangely enough, we’ve weathered public smoking bans, In Wisconsin we banned indoor smoking over a decade ago. Last week I found myself in one of the very, very few bars that’s never enforced it and still allows smoking inside. I knew I’d get hit in the face with a wall of smoke as soon as I opened the door, but I was utterly unprepared for how strong, and how gross, it would be. Even as a smoker (though I don’t smoke in my house/car) I find it odd that it was just accepted, without a second thought, that a bar ‘just smells like that’. It felt almost nostalgic. Like being able to smell gas every time you drove past a gas station before they had to install vapor recovery nozzles. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denial-of-juul/966688/16 "2022-06-24T01:29:07Z")
one of the bars I went to when I was young had a Halloween smoke/fog machine because people liked their dive bars smoky dammit! Now you go on the smoking porch its all pot smokers sneaking tokes or sharing joints and things