Dental questions: emergency root canals and pain medication

My last root canal was done before the infection cleared up. Because the infection wouldn’t go away. :frowning: The antibiotics couldn’t get into the area quickly enough to take it out. Then when they did the root canal, the infection prevented the anesthetic from reaching the nerve, so it wouldn’t go numb. They had to drill into the tooth and get to the nerve so they could inject the anesthetic directly on the nerve. Then the pain stopped for the first time in a week and I was in heaven. The other root canal was completely painless and complication free once the abscess was cleared up.

In my small town of 12,000 my dentist gets me in same day for emergencies, and has gotten my root canals scheduled within a couple of days when necessary. He doesn’t do root canals himself, he sends them to a specialist, who is very good in my experience. A larger city should be able to do at least as well.

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My last root canal was done before the infection cleared up. Because the infection wouldn’t go away. :frowning: The antibiotics couldn’t get into the area quickly enough to take it out. Then when they did the root canal, the infection prevented the anesthetic from reaching the nerve, so it wouldn’t go numb. They had to drill into the tooth and get to the nerve so they could inject the anesthetic directly on the nerve. Then the pain stopped for the first time in a week and I was in heaven. The other root canal was completely painless and complication free once the abscess was cleared up.
The antibiotics don’t go through the tooth to get to the infection but rather through the bone where the infection is. There is very poor circulation in bone so it is tough to get the antibiotic from the bloodstream into the infection within the bone. Not every dental infection is caused by the same bacteria so no one antibiotic works in every case. Sometimes we have to try a couple to find one that works.

If the tooth was a lower one that the infection has no bearing on anesthesia for the tooth since the anesthetic is placed posteriorly to the tooth and gets to the nerve at some distance from the tooth. For upper teeth if there is a lot of infection sometimes it can affect the anesthetic but there are ways to deal with it and shouldn’t usually be a problem getting the tooth numb.

Just popping in to wish the OP well and hope you get a very much sooner appointment. My dentist will get me in the same day if I’m in pain (I haven’t had really bad issues like yours, but once I had a temporary crown that should have been shaved down more, and I just dealt with it for the couple weeks it took for the permanent crown to be made. He firmly admonished me about it and explained the opposing tooth was bruised because of it, hence the discomfort, and he told me if that EVER happens again to just come in, no appointment needed). He’s very concerned about dental pain and very good about taking care of his patients.

You should expect the same! And thanks, rsat3acr, for your input. You sound like one of the good ones.

I didn’t say the antibiotics went through the tooth. I said they couldn’t get to the infection fast enough to clear it up. Kind of like what you repeated. I know all about different kinds of bacteria needing different antibiotics. A couple of years ago I had an infection in my lower jaw from an impacted wisdom tooth extraction. In the end it took IV antibiotics for 6 weeks, along with a different oral course at the same time, to clear it up. That was after that was after cutting it open to scrape away the rotted bone and two other oral antibiotics. Two very common bacteria that everyone carries in their mouth, which managed to get into an area that they didn’t belong in. Did manage to avoid the bone graft.

For the root canal, lower jaw, they did the normal numbing, but when they started drilling I could feel it. So the dentist put another shot right at the base of the tooth. Then again when that didn’t work. Then he drilled through the tooth and injected the anesthetic directly on the nerve. The rest of that side was numb, but not the molar with the infection. Frankly, the drilling wasn’t that much worse than the pain I was already in from the infection.

Ugh. After much ado, I think I’ve got things sorted out.

For the interested…I called the dentist’s office to ask them to get me in sooner, emphasizing that I was in a great deal of discomfort. They informed me that the reason for the wait wasn’t scheduling after all, but “pre-insurance,” this being the process where they send the procedure codes to my insurance company to determine whether they’re covered. This, they said, was necessary because their office wasn’t in my insurance provider’s network, despite the fact that my insurance company’s website was where I got their number in the first place. The pre-insurance process evidently takes three weeks, and absolutely cannot be avoided, unless I were willing to undertake the devastatingly arduous task of calling my insurance company and asking them what they’d cover. I can see why they didn’t mention this to me up front; who in their right mind would make a phone call when they could sit around in pain for a few weeks instead?

Needless to say, I was already unimpressed, but they said that if I could get the information, they could get me in for the procedure at the beginning of next week. So, call I did. The insurance rep confirmed that this dentist was covered by their network, and gave me the rates based on the procedure codes. Pretty standard stuff — 80% for the root canal, 50% for the build-up and crown, $50 deductible, $1000/year max.

I called the dentist’s office back and told them this…or some of it, right up to the point where I was exasperatedly cut off mid-sentence. The conversation from there went as follows, as close to verbatim as I can recall, which is pretty damned close given my keen interest in the situation. (For greater accuracy, in each of Front Desk Lady’s lines, mentally append a :rolleyes: after every other word.)

Front Desk Lady: Look, I just need to know what your out-of-pocket would be.

Me: Well, they gave me the percentages, so I imagine that’d depend on what you charge. It’d be the fifty dollar deductible plus…

FDL: That doesn’t help me! If they’re really in our network, they need to tell you who they’re umbrella’d under.

Me: I don’t know what that means. They confirmed that you’re in their network. Can you just tell me what your rates are for those procedures? I’ll do the math.

FDL: I need to know what you’d pay out of pocket.

Me: Yes, that’s what I’ll — [at this point, I recognize that this is not likely to end productively] — you know what, I’m just going to find someone else to do this. Thanks for your time.

FDL: O-KAY, byeee! (CLICK)

Lovely woman, she was. Anyway, I hopped back on my insurance provider’s website, and called the next name on the list. (Normally I’d check reviews and the like, but at this point my most pressing concern was who could most expeditiously do something about the agonizing hole in my head.) As it happened, that dentist didn’t do root canals on molars, so they advised me to call an endodontic specialist. Easy enough; my provider’s website offered filters for specialties, so I selected “endodontics.”

Come to find out, wonder of wonders, there are no endodontists within 50 miles of Roanoke. (Note: this is a lie.) So, armed with that Google search, I switched tactics and started calling endodontists’ offices, and asking whether they accepted my insurance.

Around the eighth consecutive “no,” I decided it’d be easier to just look for GPs that were in network, and call around until I found somebody who either did endodontic work or knew someone who did. Even this proved to be daunting, as a full one-third of the “general practitioners” listed on my insurance company’s website either exclusively saw pediatric patients, or else was an orthodontics place that only did braces and had no clue what the hell I was talking about (seriously, this happened one out of every three places I called), but just 1.5 dozen calls later, I found a place that both did the procedures I needed and was willing to take a new patient before March.

As a result, I’ve got an appointment on Wednesday morning at 10:00. I should be okay until then, though I don’t think I’ll be eating anything tomorrow. I’ve got four hydrocodone pills left, and intend to go into their office with three, to assure them that they can trust me with whatever I’ll need post-(root canal/extraction).

Thanks again to everyone for the advice and well wishes, and I’ll post back on Wednesday, for better or worse.

Wow.

I’m glad your persistence paid off. Good luck!

Wow indeed. I just pay my dentist the whole bill and insurance sends me a reimbursement check 2-3 weeks later. That way, dentist gets paid and takes himself out of the middle. Seems a reasonable and easier policy to me. Yes, more expensive up front, but that’s what credit is for. The check clears before the bill is due.

I hope Wednesday goes well for you and you get sweet relief.

glad it is going to be better. pre insurance? what a crock. Even for out of network the ladies in our office can tell within a few minutes a pretty close approximation of benefits.

That does sound amazingly incompetent (with a bad attitude cherry on top!). My fingers crossed for your procedure going well tomorrow, too. :smiley: <---- your shiny new grin

After that level of stupidity, I’m rather glad you aren’t using them. Good luck tomorrow!

What a bunch of crap! My dentist’s office bends over backwards to deal with the insurance company. They know my out-of-pocket costs in about thirty seconds.

I hope your appointment goes well and you feel much better!

Agreed. Weeks??? You qualify as an emergency. Find another dentist.

Well, you’ve had a day off to recuperate, so how’d it go?

It’s odd that she wouldn’t talk to you without knowing your out of pocket max. On the one hand she may have wanted to make sure you weren’t going to be destroyed by a huge bill.* OTOH, they may have been planning to make sure they could milk you for as much as possible. It’s still strange.

*It’s possible she might, as a matter of course, know that this is going to be a very expensive procedure and if you’re going to have to pay for it all out of pocket, she’s going to want to make sure can actually pay for it before they even get started. Considering they’re the only place in town that does this that means they do ALL the work and they probably get a lot of people that can’t afford it. But if you tell her that you already met your deductible for the year or your OOP max is $1000, she might not be worried about it…or they’re running some insurance fraud and she knows she can bill the insurance for way more and you won’t notice.

Just got back from the procedure. The office I had the appointment with yesterday declared it too complicated, and sent me off to an in-network specialist, who did it this morning. (Joey, just to clarify, they’re not the only racket in town by a long shot, just the first ones I called who could get me in as a new patient quickly.)

The root canal itself was completely, 100% painless, and I was in and out in under two hours. The build-up looks great, and I’ve got an appointment to go back for the crown. Can’t speak to the post-procedure pain yet since the anesthetic is just now wearing off…I thought I’d have to baby it for a while, but the dentist said I could go to town food-wise. Still, he prescribed me a dozen Norco, which I presume was for a reason, so I won’t be throwing out my stockpile of squishy foods just yet. (Besides, free excuse to eat nothing but mac and cheese for dinner.)

As for wallet damages, I had $150 on a flexible spending account, so it only cost me $224 out of pocket. It’ll probably run me $400 more for the crown, but I still consider that getting off cheap based on what I’ve read. I suppose all’s well that ends well, and barring any complications, I should be good to go.

Thanks again to everyone! Not only did this thread make me feel a lot better about the whole thing, I probably wouldn’t have bothered to switch dentists without the consensus advice here…so for the two extra weeks I don’t have to tilt my head 45 degrees to eat and drink, cheers! :smiley:

Yay! :smiley:

Other than the usual irritation you get from having a tooth prodded and drilled on, there’s next to no pain in my experience. I was able to drink icy liquids as soon as the numbness went away. Sounds like you have some kind of temporary in place; you’ll probably have to be a little careful with that.

Yeah, don’t eat anything sticky, like taffy or caramel or hard candies you might chew. The temporary cap can get pulled off that way. When I had my crowns done, I just had sore gums for a couple days, but otherwise was fine and needed no pain meds. Plus, eating with no discomfort!

So glad to hear you had the work done and are on the mend!

Yay! Glad to hear it went so well. I’ve always had a lot of pain with temporary crowns, but even so, I found that ibuprofen was still enough to handle the pain until I could get my permanent crown placed.

The situation was resolved a little over eight months ago.

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