It came out in the wash, (if you had been comprehending,) everything I claimed in my origional piece, except for the DU turning into shards that cut, but it has been established in this thread, that it produces glass or ceramic spheres, that do enter the blood stream.
Furthermore, as this glass circulates in the bloodstream, even as small as it is, not one of you can prove that as small as some of the veins in the brain are, as well as thruout the body, that these spheres cannot lead to blockages within these veins. I also pointed out, that nothing else in the bloodstream is a solid, except for plaque and we all know plaque can kill and that it is the only other thing that is hard within the blood. The blood has nothing hard in it, for a reason.
I would further point out, that I believe at one of the times in debating these issues, that one of the problems pointed out by the medical community, was that some of these patients presented blotchy skin. The blotchy skin I believe, COULD be caused by these little spheres blocking the blood flow to the cappilaries, just beneath the skin.
No, it has not been established that the uranium oxide spheres into the blood. In fact, the evidence is that they get trapped in the lungs and stay there. Until you provide some further evidence that the uranium crosses over to the blood, the rest of your claim fall apart.
To further cite what you present here, you speak of a fine dust that becomes easily airborne, referred to as ceramic, instead of glass spheres, when it is superheated. This is still a metal dust, at least, that which is not consumed in heat, from a blast. It is POSSIBLE, that even as rods, upon impact, being as this stuff is somewhat harder than lead, but not much, disentigrates into a fine powder and as small as it is, it can float on the wind and enter the blood stream as a metallic powder and it will have cutting points, as it will not be blasted into glass spheres, so the soldiers COULD be getting both, as it is a very fine powder in one instance and glass spheres in another instance.
If anyone can, please cite where this is not possible.
But, you see, that’s not how things work around here (nor in any community dedicated to intellectual discourse). Whoever is making the positive assertion that something is occurring is the one who has to provide the cite for their position. Otherwise, you could easily end up with someone claiming, for instance, that Gulf War Syndrome is caused by a voodoo curse, and demanding that someone else come up with a cite that shows that their “theory” is not possible. Surely you would object to someone doing that?
I’ve looked through the thread and don’t see it. Would you mind either linking to the cite, or at least quoting its text?
Really? So you’re saying that someone looked something up and posted a link to it? Do you remember who it was? Because that would be an amazingly useful way to conduct a debate!
That’s not the way I read it. The relevant stuff is here:
Note the references to embedded fragments. The only way that uranium gets into the blood is if a chunk of it punctures the body and stays there. Take away the fragment and you take away the traces of uranium in the urine.
Ok, I will satisfy your inability to read and comprehend this time,–Snip–In contrast, the DU ceramic aerosol released in war entered directly into lymph and blood through the lung-blood barrier and circulated throughout the whole body. All internal contamination is excreted through either sweat or urine.
Beneath is the cite for du in the blood and as I said, if you had bothered to read and comprehend, you would have seen, instead, people like you waste other peoples time. http://www.iicph.org/docs/DU_Human_Rights_Tribunal.htm
Depleted Uranium as a Weapon of War
You have mis-quoted me in your previous post. You seem to have cut and pasted comments from me and another poster. The lack of understanding the quote box function can be a disadvantage in this forum but shows improvement on the citation skills.
I do not recall insulting you personally, I’d ask for a cite but that would be… pointless?
If I have offended you, please except my apologies, I only meant to attack the posts, not the poster.
Did you read the enirety of that article? Perhaps this bit “Much of the ceramic DU aerosol is in respirable sized particles -10 micrometer and less in diameter. It stays in the lungs for upwards of two years”. If your hypothesis that the particles had jagged edges which made tiny cuts in the body was true, the particles wouldn’t remain in the lungs for such an extensive time. You’ll notice that the article also puts an increased dosage of radiation, potentially causing cancer, as the risk factor. Not tissue damage, not lungs covered in scar tissue, nada.
Even with radiation, there is no conclusive data showing that low levels of radiation cause any significant increase in the rate of cancer.
I did not post that cite, 1000100100, or something like that, cited that, not me. I simply offered theory and it happened to be correct in many ways. I first offered this same text on another site and argued these points, remembering much of what was offered there. Furthermore, there was one or two more here that offered things as they were interrested in our soldiers and not so much what I had to say and I think highly of those people, while I debate and admit to my own frailties. This is about soldiers and some innocent Iraqui’s, not us.
What you speak of here, is about weapons that explode upon impact, with DU and not the penetrator rods that are not explosive. The type that are not explosive, must surely shed some of the du as metal dust and it also would be as dust that can enter the lungs in the metallic form, crossing the blood and lymph barriers and that dust being the second form, which can drift on the wind and be kicked up as troops walk thru it, will become airborne again and they will breathe it in.
I don’t expect that you’ve actually read any of the links. But if you had, you’d have noticed that the kinetic energy of DU penetrator rods combined with their pyrophoric properties means that all DU projectiles that hit armor at a given speed will, to some extent, combust. Their outer layer starts a spontaneous reaction and burns away, leaving a cloud of uranium oxide or uranium dioxide.
No! Come on, aren’t you paying attention? When uranium oxidizes, it becomes Uranium Oxide or Dioxide – the ceramic form. That’s the one that’s absorbed via inhalation, which stays in the bloodstream the longest. The metallic form – see my myriad links above – is excreted almost immediately. The combustion products are generally a condensate left over from the oxidation, and are characteristically spherical.
I don’t know which dust (or “second form”) you’re talking about.
On the up side, your last post contained a cite. Congratulations! I think we may be approaching a rational debate here.
You have but to read and comprehend, but since you show you do not possess that capability, just move 5 posts up from where you say the above, to find an answer.
No, you did not read and fully comprehend all that has been offered here, but that’s not surprising, as you have shown the propensity to twist and turn other peoples words and by the way, like many before you, I do notice that you try to make people answer things over and over again, wasting their time and energy. This is the last I answer you.
I don’t know which dust (or “second form”) you’re talking about.
On the up side, your last post contained a cite. Congratulations! I think we may be approaching a rational debate here.
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