# Der Spiegel declares war on Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2017, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207 "2017-02-07T04:20:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/1 "2017-02-07T04:20:52Z")
In the pit because Trump. [This](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/forumdisplay.php?f=5) is an extremely alarming editorial piece. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/2 "2017-02-07T04:22:17Z")
That’s a link to this forum. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/3 "2017-02-07T04:23:00Z")
That link just took me to The BBQ Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/4 "2017-02-07T04:23:31Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > That’s a link to this forum. Ah crap. [Try this](http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/a-1133177-amp.html). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/5 "2017-02-07T04:33:42Z")
Your wall failed. Prepare to go to war! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/6 "2017-02-07T04:35:43Z")
And of course, [this](http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/14A37/production/_93953548_19c358c7-da9c-4b9a-b19d-9433a6db7494.jpg) was their recent cover. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/7 "2017-02-07T04:42:51Z")
So what exactly is unique about this? I thought all of Europe except the right wing fringe movements are anti-Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/8 "2017-02-07T04:47:03Z")
Will Germany someday soon accept Americans as refugees? Please? Pretty please? ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/9 "2017-02-07T04:47:40Z")
Merkel might as well grow a tiny mustache, because what she has done to Germany and to the German people is simply unbelievable, and so damaging. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/10 "2017-02-07T04:51:17Z")
This is an editorial that states some pretty blunt facts; > [@](#): > > It is literally painful to write this sentence, but the president of the United States is a pathological liar. The president of the U.S. is a racist (it also hurts to write this). He is attempting a coup from the top; he wants to establish an illiberal democracy, or worse; he wants to undermine the balance of power. He fired an acting attorney general who held a differing opinion from his own and accused her of “betrayal.” This is the vocabulary used by Nero, the emperor and destroyer of Rome. It is the way tyrants think. And for those who don’t know, Der Spiegel is quite an [important publication in Europe.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Spiegel) > [@](#): > > Der Spiegel is known in German-speaking countries mostly for its investigative journalism. It has played a key role in uncovering many political scandals such as the Spiegel scandal in 1962 and the Flick affair in the 1980s. According to The Economist, Der Spiegel is one of continental Europe’s most influential magazines ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/11 "2017-02-07T04:54:44Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Merkel might as well grow a tiny mustache, because what she has done to Germany and to the German people is simply unbelievable, and so damaging. \ 😃 The right-wingers complain that liberals are being “hysterical” and “melodramatic” if they compare _Trump_ to Hitler, and then they turn around and hysterically and melodramatically Godwinize _Merkel_, of all people. The whiplash between Trump supporters complaining that liberals should just calm down and stop overreacting so much to Trump, and their subsequently having nuclear meltdowns of their own about anybody who dares to criticize Trump, is getting rather tiresome. Your critiques of exaggeration from the left might be slightly more believable if you didn’t indulge in the same sort of thing to a far greater degree every chance you get. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/12 "2017-02-07T04:56:43Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Merkel might as well grow a tiny mustache, because what she has done to Germany and to the German people is simply unbelievable, and so damaging. I didn’t think I’d ever see an online troll stupider than Donald Trump, but congrats. You win. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/13 "2017-02-07T05:01:22Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Merkel might as well grow a tiny mustache, because what she has done to Germany and to the German people is simply unbelievable, and so damaging. Crawl back under your rock, you fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/14 "2017-02-07T05:02:53Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I didn’t think I’d ever see an online troll stupider than Donald Trump, but congrats. You win. Liberals on this forum may believe that I’m a troll, and they are free to believe whatever they please, but I am being serious. I have a stellar record on this forum when it comes to accurate predictions, and I will share another one now: The EU will certainly be history sooner rather than later. More and more countries will be exiting the failed and corrupt EU soon. First the UK, and there are many more that have the potential to replicate that wise act soon. The people have woken up, the common man, and they have made it clear that they want nothing to do with the traitorous elites that have been screwing them over for so long now. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/15 "2017-02-07T05:10:02Z")
Well, _Der Spiegel_ says that Germany must “plan its political and economic defenses” and “stand up in opposition” to Trump. They are not declaring war - instead, war is being brought to them, metaphorically at least, in the form of far-right demagoguery that threatens both Western democracy itself and the (relatively) peaceful world order. It is a darkly amusing irony that the leaders of the Free World are now the Germans, while the once-enlightened British and Americans have turned to right-wing xenophobic, insular populism. It feels strange to feel considerably ideologically closer to the German government than my own. > [@PastTense](#): > > I thought all of Europe except the right wing fringe movements are anti-Trump. You may have noticed that a right wing fringe movement conned the UK public recently and won a referendum. Brexiteers and Trumpeteers are largely the same demographics. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/16 "2017-02-07T05:10:16Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Liberals on this forum may believe that I’m a troll, and they are free to believe whatever they please, but I am being serious. > > I have a stellar record on this forum when it comes to accurate predictions, and I will share another one now: > > The EU will certainly be history sooner rather than later. > > More and more countries will be exiting the failed and corrupt EU soon. > > First the UK, and there are many more that have the potential to replicate that wise act soon. > > The people have woken up, the common man, and they have made it clear that they want nothing to do with the traitorous elites that have been screwing them over for so long now. Like Donald Trump and his band of billionaires and bankers? ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/17 "2017-02-07T05:22:42Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > You may have noticed that a right wing fringe movement conned the UK public recently and won a referendum. Brexiteers and Trumpeteers are largely the same demographics. The anti-immigration and hostility to Islam are one of the few things they have in common. There is zero interest, for example, for Brexit supporters to eliminate the National Health Service (like Trump wants to eliminate Obamacare). ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/18 "2017-02-07T05:29:49Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > The people have woken up, the common man, and they have made it clear that they want nothing to do with the traitorous elites that have been screwing them over for so long now. Does “traitorous elites” mean “Jews?” I’m having a hard time following that you are complaining about. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/19 "2017-02-07T05:33:49Z")
DNFTT. Blinky’s clearly incapable of rational thought, but the powers that be have no problem with him being around (although someone should check his IP to make sure he’s not posting from a Houston Tae Kwan Do school), so the very best we can do is collectively ignore his slavering stupidity until he fucks off or at least nobody has to read anything he says. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/20 "2017-02-07T05:40:26Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > The people have woken up, the common man, and they have made it clear that they want nothing to do with the traitorous elites that have been screwing them over for so long now. In a superb feat of prolonged cognitive dissonance, the American “common man” manages not to notice that they’ve elected about the most “elite” candidate possible: a super-wealthy\* Hollywood celebrity and international business executive who stiffs his employees and contractors, is inexplicably deferential to the Russian regime, and chooses Wall Street bankers and other corporate interests as his trusted advisers. When it comes to getting screwed over, the “common man” ain’t seen nothing yet. Trump is working very hard to show them, though. - Well, maybe. We still haven’t seen those tax returns. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207.md?page=2)