# Der Spiegel declares war on Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2017, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207 "2017-02-07T04:20:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/21 "2017-02-07T05:40:43Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > The anti-immigration and hostility to Islam are one of the few things they have in common. There is zero interest, for example, for Brexit supporters to eliminate the National Health Service (like Trump wants to eliminate Obamacare). Some different aims, but same demographics and angry delusions. Probably never in history have there been two elections with a greater disparity in IQs between the two opposing sides as the Brexit and Trump elections. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/22 "2017-02-07T05:41:28Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > DNFTT. Fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/23 "2017-02-07T05:46:25Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Does “traitorous elites” mean “Jews?” I’m having a hard time following that you are complaining about. I am not complaining. I am predicting the future. Traitorous elites means the leadership,the elite and the media in certain European countries. The globalists basically. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/24 "2017-02-07T05:50:22Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I am not complaining. I am predicting the future. > > Traitorous elites means the leadership,the elite and the media in certain European countries. The globalists basically. The globalists who are traitorous leadership, elite, media in certain European countries? Come on, you Nazi, tell us straight out who you’re referring to. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/25 "2017-02-07T05:51:34Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Merkel might as well grow a tiny mustache, because what she has done to Germany and to the German people is simply unbelievable, and so damaging. Is that you, Mr. President? ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/26 "2017-02-07T05:52:42Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The globalists who are traitorous leadership, elite, media in certain European countries? Come on, you Nazi, tell us straight out who you’re referring to. You are much closer to a Nazi than I will ever be, and there is already one example mentioned in this thread, and that’s Merkel. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/27 "2017-02-07T05:52:45Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Traitorous elites means the leadership,the elite and the media in certain European countries. The globalists basically. What would you do with the “traitorous elites” if you were President? ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/28 "2017-02-07T05:57:42Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > What would you do with the “traitorous elites” if you were President? If I were President of the USA? I wouldn’t do a single thing about the “traitorous elites” in Europe, because it wouldn’t be proper to meddle in their internal business and certain countries are already well on their path to self destructing, so the prudent move is to just sit back and enjoy the show. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/29 "2017-02-07T06:01:33Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > You are much closer to a Nazi than I will ever be, and there is already one example mentioned in this thread, and that’s Merkel. Anyone who knows my family, me, or even my posting history on this site, especially concerning certain subjects like prejudice or Hitler and his ilk would never advance an assertion that I am in any way close to being a Nazi unless they are either completely divorced from reality or doing their utmost in trolling. You are not being clever with your barely disguised antisemitism. Merkel, by the way, is serving as the opposite of your assertion. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/30 "2017-02-07T06:03:57Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > … because it wouldn’t be proper to meddle in their internal business … Obviously you don’t believe that because it would invalidate Trump’s election. So what would you do with the “traitorous elites” _in the USA_ if you were President _of the USA_? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/31 "2017-02-07T06:16:56Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Liberals on this forum may believe that I’m a troll, and they are free to believe whatever they please, but I am being serious. > > I have a stellar record on this forum when it comes to accurate predictions, and I will share another one now: > > The EU will certainly be history sooner rather than later. > > More and more countries will be exiting the failed and corrupt EU soon. > > First the UK, and there are many more that have the potential to replicate that wise act soon. > > The people have woken up, the common man, and they have made it clear that they want nothing to do with the traitorous elites that have been screwing them over for so long now. OK, just for a minute, let’s assume that your predictions are correct, and that more countries will leave the EU, that the ‘people’ have woken up and that they want nothing to do with the ‘traitorous elites’ any more. What then fuckhead? What then? Do you have an endgame scenario? FFS, I’ve been here a long time, but you are the trolliest troll that the billy-goats ever ignored under that fucken bridge! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/32 "2017-02-07T06:17:49Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > You are much closer to a Nazi than I will ever be, and there is already one example mentioned in this thread, and that’s Merkel. Do you even know what the word ‘Nazi’ means? ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/33 "2017-02-07T06:18:18Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > So what would you do with the “traitorous elites” _in the USA_ if you were President _of the USA_? :rolleyes: Use all legal methods available to prosecute and punish those that are guilty of certain crimes. BLM would be declared a domestic terrorist group. Antifa would be declared an international terrorist group. All persons and groups connected to financing such groups would be prosecuted under the full power of the law. Guantanamo Bay would be expanded and built out to accommodate more prisoners and terrorists. It would become legal in all 50 states to run down any and all protestors blocking highways. Certain climate change scientists would be prosecuted under the law if it can be proven that they have deliberately and fraudulently manipulated scientific data for personal gain. Besides that and a few other things, just winning elections would be sufficient enough to keep the open borders lunatics and globalists out of power. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/34 "2017-02-07T06:31:23Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Use all legal methods available to prosecute and punish those that are guilty of certain crimes. > > BLM would be declared a domestic terrorist group. > > Antifa would be declared an international terrorist group. > > All persons and groups connected to financing such groups would be prosecuted under the full power of the law. > > Guantanamo Bay would be expanded and built out to accommodate more prisoners and terrorists. > > It would become legal in all 50 states to run down any and all protestors blocking highways. > > Certain climate change scientists would be prosecuted under the law if it can be proven that they have deliberately and fraudulently manipulated scientific data for personal gain. > > Besides that and a few other things, just winning elections would be sufficient enough to keep the open borders lunatics and globalists out of power. You were cute when you were a newbie. Not so much now. Fuck off troll. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/35 "2017-02-07T06:37:01Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > It would become legal in all 50 states to run down any and all protestors blocking highways. Too obvious. You got over-confident and the mask slipped. \*“Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!” \* ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/36 "2017-02-07T06:40:22Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Too obvious. You got over-confident and the mask slipped. > > \*“Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!” > \* It’s already being proposed and might happen soon in certain states. > **[Proposed laws would crack down on protesters who block roadways | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/us/nd-protest-driver-bill-trnd/)** > > North Dakota lawmakers are set to vote Friday on a bill that would legalize accidentally running over protesters in the road, one of a series of actions in Republican-controlled states to discourage disruptive protests. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/37 "2017-02-07T06:49:25Z")
Will you people stop engaging with Blinky!! He is hijacking this entire discussion! Don’t enable him! This is an important topic, and it would be great to discuss it without pointless, useless detours. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/38 "2017-02-07T07:21:49Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Will you people stop engaging with Blinky!! He is hijacking this entire discussion! Don’t enable him! > > This is an important topic, and it would be great to discuss it without pointless, useless detours. Yes Mum. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/39 "2017-02-07T08:50:16Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Will you people stop engaging with Blinky!! He is hijacking this entire discussion! Don’t enable him! > > This is an important topic, and it would be great to discuss it without pointless, useless detours. Good point! The crunch is going to come, I think, over the rampant “America first” message. Obviously that plays well to the less-thoughtful segment of America - the more-thoughtful segment have already internalised that - duh - of course the American President puts America first - that’s what he’s there for! And leaders of _other_ countries put _their_ countries first. And if all systems are working well, when everybody’s looking out for their own interests in a sensible, co-operative and non-psychotic fashion, hopefully countries can work together and do deals that are in _both_ their interests. The “America First” message contains the obvious implication that America has till now been putting other people’s interests first - that America is beleagured and set upon and taken advantage of, and needs to _get more back_ out of the rest of the world. From the rest of the world’s point of view - well, this is obviously not true, so what he’s really saying to us is that he doesn’t want to do any deals unless ALL the benefit comes his way. Anyone with any spine at all is going to eventually say “screw that” - and the further away, the more likely to do so sooner. Germany’s in a pretty good position to do so sooner. America’s big, economically - about a quarter of world GDP, I think. But that still means there’s more of everyone else than there is of you - everyone needs friends, even the biggest dude in the room. Trump’s chaotic management style may or may not be designed on purpose to try to cow his opponents at home - what it does for pretty much anyone else is to just make him not worth dealing with. If we need an alternative center of the international community, I’d rather have Germany than China. We still might get China though… ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207/40 "2017-02-07T09:05:07Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > DNFTT. Blinky’s clearly incapable of rational thought, but the powers that be have no problem with him being around (although someone should check his IP to make sure he’s not posting from a Houston Tae Kwan Do school), so the very best we can do is collectively ignore his slavering stupidity until he fucks off or at least nobody has to read anything he says. Y’know guys, putting someone on “ignore” then seeing _everyone in the thread_ quote the fucker kinda defeats the purpose. Can we institute a rule that if not a single one of your posts displays more thought or understanding than a fucking sea cucumber, you don’t get to stick around? Hey mods, you know what the difference is between Blinky and a right-wing troll who exists solely to start shit and derail threads? If so, _kindly tell the rest of us._ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-spiegel-declares-war-on-trump/779207.md?page=3)