# Der Trihs, a moment of your time, if you would. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 13, 2007, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089 "2007-02-13T22:53:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/221 "2007-02-15T06:07:16Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] Dude, answer your fucking email and drop it on this forum. [/QUOTE] You mean this piece of blowhard, high-noon bullshit? > [@](#): > > Oakbrow Farwalker > to me > > show details > 1:24 am (35 minutes ago) > Hey, you told me to name the bar and the time. I pick C.S.'s, on West Street in Jackson, Mississippi, this Saturday at 7:00 PM. Is that specific enough? It’s about a three hour drive for me, but there is an airport there if you wanted to fly in. > > If you prefer, I can probably make a few calls and get us access to a ring. MMA rules ok with you? > > Or you can just fuck off. Either way is fine with me. 'tis to laugh. Hadn’t realized I was exchanging messages with a WWF fan. Or whatever the fuck the MMA is. You really fuckin’ think you’re worth a plane ride to the boonies? Come on down, clown. No rules. Bwahahaaaaaa! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/222 "2007-02-15T06:26:20Z")
[QUOTE=RedFury] Read. [/quote] Read it. > [@](#): > > Fight your ignorance. With what? A private organization’s opinion piece? It is to laugh. Actually, it is to be nearly incapacitated due to long guffawing. > [@](#): > > Not my problem. Maybe not, but what your problem is has been shown by you. Yes, that also would be an opinion. I’m not bandying it around as fact, though. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/223 "2007-02-15T06:32:49Z")
[QUOTE=Monty] Read it. Well then, With what? A private organization’s opinion piece? It is to laugh. Actually, it is to be nearly incapacitated due to long guffawing. [/QUOTE] Well then, try educating yourself with the official pablum: [The Project for the New American Century](http://www.newamericancentury.org/) Check out the signatories while you are at it. Then again, never mind. You are too far gone. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/224 "2007-02-15T06:40:53Z")
From your link: > [@](#): > > The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle. > > The Project for the New American Century intends, through issue briefs, research papers, advocacy journalism, conferences, and seminars, to explain what American world leadership entails. It will also strive to rally support for a vigorous and principled policy of American international involvement and to stimulate useful public debate on foreign and defense policy and America’s role in the world. > > William Kristol, Chairman Looks like non-official stuff. And you accuse me of being far gone? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/225 "2007-02-15T06:41:30Z")
[QUOTE=RedFury] You mean this piece of blowhard, high-noon bullshit? 'tis to laugh. Hadn’t realized I was exchanging messages with a WWF fan. Or whatever the fuck the MMA is. You really fuckin’ think you’re worth a plane ride to the boonies? Come on down, clown. No rules. Bwahahaaaaaa! [/QUOTE] You know, you really are a worthless piece of shit. And a drunk.\*\* Oakminster \*\*did the honorable thing and chose to make the next level of your conversation private. What do you do? The equivalent of trying to surround yourself with people for protection. “Hey Officers, I’m gonna take this guy ouside and kick his ass. Come watch. Fighting is against the law and you’ll stop it, right?” Why do you choose this course of inaction—I mean, other than you nursing Dewar’s? Because deep down you know about yourself what some posters have learned: that you’re all bluster and no balls. That you are the most common type of cocky coward who confuses the clutching of a scotch bottle with the posession of courage. Your action here has revealed your true spineless character for all to see. And it will not be forgotten soon. And it was all your own doing. A particularly sweet justice. ---
**Author:** ![Mellivora\_capensis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mellivora\_capensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mellivora_capensis)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/226 "2007-02-15T07:09:58Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] Afrikaans, I think. I believe it translates to something like - “The rules do not always make sense, but they are still the rules, and I don’t want you to get banned.” Or perhaps I have no idea what I am talking about. Regards, Shodan [/QUOTE] You are mostly correct. “I don’t want to see you getting banned.” I was trying to calm the waters a little with a sidebar between countrymen. No disrespect intended towards the members of this board, it won’t happen again. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/227 "2007-02-15T07:27:26Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] That is a baudlerized version of his sentiment. You can continue to claim that it is his, but you are incorrect. [/QUOTE] Oh for fucks sake, which part of the following sentence can’t you understand: “I hope the Iraqis manage to kill them before they kill the Iraqis.” Just highlight the words you’re struggling with and I’ll see if I can find a monosyllabic replacement or a pictogram to try to help you understand why a person who is opposed to our invasion of Iraq would prefer the invading force to suffer more fatalities than the people who were invaded. Alternatively, please select from the following which is your preference: a) I hope the Iraqis manage to kill them before they kill the Iraqis b) I hope the Iraqis manage to kill them when they kill the Iraqis c) I hope the Iraqis manage to kill them after they kill the Iraqis And a request please. If you’re going to refer to the practices of Thomas Bowdler, could you try to get the spelling right. [QUOTE=Contrapuntal] I find it fascinating that people can get their panties twisted because someone or other does or does not wish for red asshole to face the effects of his words when he wishes that EVERY ENLISTED PERSON IN THE AMERICAN ARMED FORCES IS KILLED. Christ, folks, get some perspective. He wants your brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins, moms and dads to die. [/QUOTE] For the love of all that is good and holy what the wittering fuck are you claiming now? Where did he say such a thing as above? ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/228 "2007-02-15T07:31:59Z")
The **RedFury** vs. **Oakminster** discussion is over. Right now. ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/229 "2007-02-15T08:34:31Z")
An infinite number of monkeys mindlessly banging on an infinite number of computer keyboards for eternity will eventually produce the complete works of Shakespeare. In the meantime, expect things like this thread. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/230 "2007-02-15T10:23:41Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Eh. Not really the same, and the guy is a Guest poster. Look, like it or not, the US is in Iraq with the consent of the legitimate government of that country, and acts in agreement with the laws of that country. It’s not substantially different from UN peacekeepers in other parts of the world. I’m really surprised you can’t see a difference between actions taken by a legitimate government to keep order and actions taken by groups intent on overthrowing a legitimate government by violence, purposing killing as many civilians as it can in the process. [/QUOTE] Dead is dead and the question of legitimacy or not of a govt makes not difference to whether it’s okay to wish people dead. And I don’t see it keeping order. I see it adopting an ‘own safety first’ approach that inevitably maximises civilian casualties compared to our own. I see it fighting not to keep order but to establish a friendly regime consonant with our own short sighted view of strategic interests. If we had the slightest interest in peace-keeping and the good of the Iraqi people we’d sit down and talk with others in the region. We’d throw our hands up and admit we’ve made a huge mistake, write a blank cheque to fund a multi-national force excluding our troops and show good faith by cutting a fair deal for the Palestinians. As it is we want a peaceful iraq on our pie in the sky, it’s going to rain ponies terms. I wish those ethnically cleansing dead too because i’d like to see the civil war end. I don’t believe the current government is legitimate beyond a legalistic sense. It’s writ does not run in the country and it does not hold a monpoloy of force in its borders. It is in practice a set of factions and ministerial fiefdoms engaged in a civil war which will determine what is eventually the ‘legitimate’ government of Iraq in practice. In theory, if this were more clear cut like the French resistance, I’d hope for an iraqi victory over the coalition. But the coalition aren’t Nazi’s and the the Resistance are a bunch of murdering religious savages. I do want to see the Coalition defeated. ‘Defeated’ being defined as being denied its strategic aims of regional bases and a compliant govt. I want the USA to learn that might does not make right. That it does not have the right to use force on specious pretexts to pursue the narrow short-term interests defined for it by a bunch of neo-con nut jobs. I want it to come to its senses and like the Iraq Study Group said - negotiate in good faith with Syria and Iran. I want it to accept the fact that the most likely outcome of the Civil War will be an Iran-friendly Iraq. I want it to stop trying to shape events to its will and do what it can to sort out the mess it, and its UK lapdog, has created. Like in Vietnam I would welcome the army just saying, fuck it, we are not risking our lives in pursuit of an unattainable goal just to save Bush’s face. Unfortunately all I see is more ethnic cleansing and more civilian casualties and a ‘Surge’ that in practice will see the coalition bombing and shelling the parts of the city it is trying to clear, killing more civilians, causing more anger, resentment and butchery in response and making this generally worse all so Bush can hand over the mess to someone else. And in practice in this situation I do value the lives of civilians more than invading soldiers. I absolutely deny they have the right to adopt tactics that put their own lives above civilians and shrug it off as ‘collateral damage’. When you bomb a building with civilians in it to kill a sniper you fully intend to kill everyone and you share in the moral culpability. I’m incandescent with rage that US and UK soldiers have been put in harms way, put in a position where they have to take such terrible and understandable actions, by the lying chicken hawks and lapdogs back in Washington and London. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/231 "2007-02-15T10:47:57Z")
[QUOTE=magellan01] I’m glad you posted this. It brings to light that our whacky military hater is not alone. To his credit, at least he is open an honest about his views. Often around here people like to say that Der Trihs is a tiny exception. So now we have two: **Der Trihs MrDibble** Anyone else have the courage of their convictions? **Kumquat? Tagos?** Anyone? [/QUOTE] I also posted to the original thread, so it’s not like I was hiding - I’ve posted to threads like that before, saying the same thing. I just don’t feel the need to do it everytime. **Ratel** , thanks for the warning, but I don’t think I’m gonna get banned anytime soon, at least not over this. I don’t even think I’ve been warned in years, that I can remember. Certainly not for saying the same things I always say in these threads. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/232 "2007-02-15T11:00:22Z")
I can understand if people on either side, the US or Iraq, feel like punching out bastards who wish death on their loved ones. There’s really not a satisfactory rhetorical response available. “I hope your son is killed.” “Oh, yeah, well fuck you.” It just doesn’t have the same weight. Much like the balyhooed difference between “nigger” and “honkey”. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/233 "2007-02-15T11:57:18Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] You know **Contrapuntal** , I have only run across you a few times and for as much as you complain about others being jerks and offensive. [/QUOTE] Cite? That should be easy. Show me those few times I was complaining about offensive jerks. > [@](#): > > You are very offensive and jerkish yourself. You go on the attack if someone disagrees with you. You try to out shout the opposition. You do not debate and discuss, you yell and scream. Cite? > [@](#): > > Do you think this is an effective method? Do you think it makes people take your point more seriously? What is to be gained by accusing anyone of their “Panties twisted”? I do not know if you noticed but at least two of the members saying to just ignore **Der Trihs** sad little outbursts are active duty serviceman and I am a vet from a family of vets. If we can ignore his stupidity why do you let his dumb posts gets your “panties into a bunch”? Well bless your heart. So the only ones who have standing to complain are vets? Thanks for the news flash. You might want to have that put in the FAQs. And you might have clued us in a bit earlier. [QUOTE=jsgoddess] One person is saying he’d like something to happen that he has no power to do. DT can’t magically make the Iraqis kill the American soldiers before being killed themselves. The other people are saying they want to do something that they do have the power to do–physically hurt those who say things they don’t like. That’s the difference as I see it. [/QUOTE] Since neither has any chance of actually happening, I fail to see what difference it makes. Every bit of it is just words on a message board, right? [QUOTE=Gary] And a request please. If you’re going to refer to the practices of Thomas Bowdler, could you try to get the spelling right. [/QUOTE] Sure. Thanks. Questions generally have question marks at the end. > [@](#): > > For the love of all that is good and holy what the wittering fuck are you claiming now? Where did he say such a thing as above? Question: “What is your attitude towards military enlistees?” Answer: “Contempt. Hatred. They are fools and scum, and I hope the Iraqis manage to kill them before they kill the Iraqis.” Nice friend ya got there. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/234 "2007-02-15T12:31:10Z")
I’m gonna quote myself from the last thread in which myself and **Der** both coincided " > [@myself](#): > > Y’know, this could have been a perfectly ordinary IMHO/GD thread about enlistees’ motivations if people did not feel this organic need to fire back at **Der Trihs**. What makes him so irresistible? BTW,\*\* it’s not just the US military, he also vehemently repudiates religious believers, religion, the US Government, governments in general and once wrote something to the effect that he “would probably despise any country (he) were born in”. He’s not a troll, he by all signs IS a person who hews to a worldview that bears no compromise and abides no “respect” for those who are “wrong” according to his parameters. \*\* So by now we should know better that to think that getting all riled up will have any effect. Maybe the people whose buttons he pushes could name a designated poster in each thread to follow up the initial DT inflammatory intervention that with “Yeah, dude, we KNOW, right, let it be so recorded”, and everyone moves on. (emphasis added) But I see that I ended that on something of a dismissive “yeah, whatever” tone, and would like to add that OTOH, if someone can bring forth a good argument/position contrary to what DT presents, they should still bring it forward, but with the understanding that it’s directed at the rest of the audience: most likely HE will NOT concede or stipulate an agree-to-disagree, since in his opinion your position continues to be immoral and evil. But to lash out madly because he pushes (y)our emotional buttons only serves HIS purpose. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/235 "2007-02-15T13:46:21Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] Since neither has any chance of actually happening, I fail to see what difference it makes. Every bit of it is just words on a message board, right? [/QUOTE] One person can turn his wishes into reality. The other can’t. To me, that’s a huge difference. And you know what? Even if it’s not a huge difference (since you say it isn’t), there’s no way in hell I’m giving any respect either to the “He started it!” defense or the “Fighting words” defense. I don’t care what **DT** said, short of a threat. Responding with threats, and there is no way the thugs in this thread are doing anything but making threats and hoping to intimidate and silence others, is vicious and irrational. I’ve got no respect for it and I’m not going to act like I do or be silent about it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/236 "2007-02-15T14:02:39Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] I don’t care what **DT** said, short of a threat. Responding with threats, and there is no way the thugs in this thread are doing anything but making threats and hoping to intimidate and silence others, is vicious and irrational. I’ve got no respect for it and I’m not going to act like I do or be silent about it. [/QUOTE] Huh. So why don’t we ever see you in the anti-Fred Phelps threads, wagging your finger at the posters there? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/237 "2007-02-15T14:16:00Z")
[Quote=John Corrado] Huh. So why don’t we ever see you in the anti-Fred Phelps threads, wagging your finger at the posters there? [/Quote] Well, just speculating here, could it be that she maybe hasn’t read them? I know I don’t, for the most part. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/238 "2007-02-15T14:28:00Z")
[QUOTE=John Corrado] Huh. So why don’t we ever see you in the anti-Fred Phelps threads, wagging your finger at the posters there? [/QUOTE] I think this is the stupidest post in a thread chock full of stupid posts. You win. ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/239 "2007-02-15T14:37:12Z")
[QUOTE=buttonjockey308] Do you seriously believe that there is complete freedom of speech? [/QUOTE] Word. The only difference is that we live in a country that you can spout your deluded bullshit on a message board or on the street without getting the shit beat out of you. Other countries don’t have it so well. Countries where physical violence is a way of life and running your mouth is something you may have to answer for with your ass. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089/240 "2007-02-15T15:10:06Z")
[QUOTE=Gary Kumquat] If you’re going to refer to the practices of Thomas Bowdler, could you try to get the spelling right. [/QUOTE] It was clearly just another case of Gowdere’s Law in action! 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-would/392089.md?page=13)