# Der Trihs, holier than thou **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2006, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167 "2006-10-03T22:48:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/1 "2006-10-03T22:48:14Z")
Not much of a pit thread…just annoyed by the holier than thou tone in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=390264&page=1&pp=50) thread. I know he’s just a stupid little mega-puppy with delusions of sainthood, but it gets to the point where you just have to vent…and the GD thread isn’t the right place for it. Just some choice bits here: > [@](#): > > I support the killing of American soldiers in Iraq, as I believe they fight for an evil man and an evil cause. I’d be perfectly happy if the Iraqis managed to kill all of them somehow. > [@](#): > > And if someone invaded my country, would you say I was wrong to hope that we managed to kill them off ? Or is it only American soldiers whose life is sacrosanct ? I didn’t say “American soldiers”, I specified “American solders in Iraq” for a reason. > [@](#): > > However hard it is on them, it’s far harder on the people they are killing. I have no sympathy for them. Its obvious he’s got a bug up his ass about US soldiers in Iraq. Not just the administration, not the congress, not even the people who sent those soldiers there…but the soldiers themselves. He has ‘no sympathy’ for those folks thrown into that situation…but loads of sympathy for the Iraqi’s, reguardless if they are victim or monster. Here is the bit though that kicked off this pit thread: > [@](#): > > As I’ve said elsewhere, I’d kill myself before doing what they have done. I don’t regard myself as especially heroic. Besides, they can also desert, or go to prison, or do other things that are easier on them than killing is on their victims. Well, excuse me! I didn’t know we had a saint wanabe in our midst! Yeah, I know…he’s probably a teen age weenie with delusions of grandure and zero grounding in reality…but gods this attitude is annoying. You know you are way out in left field when RT comes in and give you a spankin’…and you are purportedly on HIS side! 🙂 [QUOTE=RTFirefly] Goody for you; you’re clearly better than the rest of us. Would you kill yourself before condemning to death the American soldiers you believe deserve it, if you had the power to condemn them? [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=RTFirefly] What does that mean? You seem to consider yourself more heroic, in this regard, than the vast majority of people now alive. [/QUOTE] 😛 Thats exactly what I was thinking. -XT ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/2 "2006-10-03T22:57:24Z")
“My enemies I can deal with, God protect me from my allies” (paraphrase, attributed to Disraeli) ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/3 "2006-10-03T23:02:05Z")
\*EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT!!! **DER TRIHS** , A CONCEITED JERK!!! \* Anyone surprised by this, revelation, raise your hand… Thought so. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/4 "2006-10-03T23:07:23Z")
It’s the weekly \*\*Der Trihs \*\* pitting. We could almost have a café thread on this weekly series. I despise what he says about our soldiers, but I have apparently become numb to it. Strange how that can happen. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/5 "2006-10-03T23:21:59Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] Strange how that can happen. Jim [/QUOTE] You know what else is strange. I love bacon cheeseburgers without the burger. Why doesn’t McDonalds serve a bacon and cheese sandwhich? ---
**Author:** ![Mayo\_Speaks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@Mayo\_Speaks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mayo_Speaks)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/6 "2006-10-03T23:24:40Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] I support the killing of American soldiers in Iraq, as I believe they fight for an evil man and an evil cause. I’d be perfectly happy if the Iraqis managed to kill all of them somehow. [/QUOTE] Think we should hook him up with Westboro Baptist? They seem to have something in common. ---
**Author:** ![nameless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/779978/32.png) [@nameless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nameless)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/7 "2006-10-03T23:25:39Z")
[QUOTE=Hamlet] You know what else is strange. I love bacon cheeseburgers without the burger. Why doesn’t McDonalds serve a bacon and cheese sandwhich? [/QUOTE] I really like bacon on hamburgers–keep the cheese the fuck away from it. Nobody serves those either but apparently everyone thinks cheese is the best thing for bacon since… more bacon? Anyway, I sympathize, is what I’m saying. Oh hey, there’s a restaurant near my hometown that serves a sandwich composed of bacon, mozarella, and diced peppers, onions, and tomatos. Also, I think they put cocaine in there or something. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/8 "2006-10-03T23:31:39Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] “My enemies I can deal with, God protect me from my allies” [/QUOTE] That’s not an ally, it’s an ENORMOUS Asshole! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/9 "2006-10-03T23:50:54Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] It’s the weekly \*\*Der Trihs \*\* pitting. We could almost have a café thread on this weekly series. [/QUOTE] Do you think we could sell it to the networks? Nah. It’s too stupid even for FOX. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2006, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/10 "2006-10-04T00:09:27Z")
[QUOTE=Hamlet] You know what else is strange. I love bacon cheeseburgers without the burger. Why doesn’t McDonalds serve a bacon and cheese sandwhich? [/QUOTE] They did have bacon cheese burgers briefly about ten years ago. They used the round bacon from the bacon McMuffins. I’m surprised that it didn’t catch on. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2006, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/11 "2006-10-04T00:14:36Z")
[QUOTE=hajario] They did have bacon cheese burgers briefly about ten years ago. They used the round bacon from the bacon McMuffins. I’m surprised that it didn’t catch on. [/QUOTE] You can still get a grilled chicken sandwich with bacon but, even though the bacon is in strips, it is completely flat and just unbacon-like to piss me off. Anyway, I always liked pacifists no matter how misguided. You know that if they piss you off enough, you can just kick their ass and not have anything to worry about. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2006, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/12 "2006-10-04T00:43:38Z")
Christ, that’s one of the most jerkish things I’ve seen posted on this MB!! **XT** , IIRC, has one or more close relatives stationed in Iraq. Beyond the pale, indeed. Isn’t that clear violation of the rules? Wishing death on someone? Was that post reported to the mods? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2006, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/13 "2006-10-04T00:47:22Z")
Not that I know, or anything, but kinda assumed that rule was regarding wishing death on a particular person, like Joe Blow, but not when one wishes death on a category of people. Swinish, yes, agin the rules, maybe not. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2006, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/14 "2006-10-04T00:55:31Z")
> [@](#): > > As I’ve said elsewhere, I’d kill myself before doing what they have done. I don’t regard myself as especially heroic. Besides, they can also desert, or go to prison, or do other things that are easier on them than killing is on their victims. My husband and I saw a very emotionally gripping play recently, called [iWitness](http://www.curtainup.com/iwitness.html). As the linked review states: > [@](#): > > The play is a dramatic account of the true story of Franz Jagerstatter, who in 1943 refused to join the German army and was executed for it. He felt it was immoral and against the teachings of the Catholic Church to participate in the evils of the Nazi state, and demonstrated his position by refusing to wear the Nazi uniform. Now, before anyone goes there, let me make this perfectly clear, **I AM NOT COMPARING BUSH TO HITLER OR THIS WAR TO WWII OR ANY OTHER CONVOLUTED GODWINISM.** That out of the way, even though this particular reviewer didn’t give it 4-star raves, he goes on to say, > [@](#): > > _iWitness_ is going to speak to any government’s demand for unquestioned loyalty. Franz Jagerstatter’s story is an inspiring and moving one. . . And it was. It provoked much conversation not only on the ride home, but for several days afterward. The original book about Jägerstätter’s life, _In Solitary Witness: The Life and Death of Franz Jagerstatter_, was the inspiration for Daniel Ellsberg’s decision to leak the Pentagon Papers to the _The New York Times_ and thereby bring the atrocities of the Vietnam war to the public’s attention. I know it’s popular to hate on **Der Trihs** on this board, but his position in this case is not unprecedented in history. [ > [@](#): > > Albert Einstein, who escaped the Nazi regime, once said, “The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service.” Jagerstatter was not a youth when he died at age 36, but he is a name amongst many nameless pioneers for peace who said no to military service for an unjust war and whose influence seems to have reached beyond Austria and whose message sadly remains worth heeding. ]([http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/04/23/062029.php](http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/04/23/062029.php)) Now, _hoping_ that all our soldiers are killed as a result of their participation is going a bit too far, IMO. One cannot expect anyone else, let alone everyone else, to be held to the same moral standards one sets for oneself, nor to make the same level of personal sacrifice even if they did. I just wanted to point out that sometimes it’s not as simple as the Black and White we try to paint things, including people’s opinions and their willingness to take stands that we might not be willing to take ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2006, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/15 "2006-10-04T01:01:54Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] Now, _hoping_ that all our soldiers are killed as a result of their participation is going a bit too far, IMO. One cannot expect anyone else, let alone everyone else, to be held to the same moral standards one sets for oneself, nor to make the same level of personal sacrifice even if they did. [/quote] A “bit” too far? That’s it? > [@](#): > > I just wanted to point out that sometimes it’s not as simple as the Black and White we try to paint things, including people’s opinions and their willingness to take stands that we might not be willing to take ourselves. That may be true, but what does it have to this partiuclar situation? Why do we need an analogy or a history lesson? No one is saying one should blindly obey authority at all times. The question is, **what about this particular time**? That’s all we’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2006, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/16 "2006-10-04T01:41:20Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] A “bit” too far? That’s it? [/quote] Yeah, I realized as I hit the submit button that I probably should’ve said “way too far,” but I held out hope that the smart people on this board wouldn’t be so fucking pedantic as to “call” me on it, given the very next sentence I typed. I should’ve known you would disappoint me. > [@](#): > > That may be true, but what does it have to this partiuclar situation? Why do we need an analogy or a history lesson? No one is saying one should blindly obey authority at all times. The question is, **what about this particular time**? That’s all we’re talking about. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and all that. And oftentimes, there is good in history that we would be wise to copy. I believe that this is one of those “particular times.” YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2006, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/17 "2006-10-04T01:46:31Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Not that I know, or anything, but kinda assumed that rule was regarding wishing death on a particular person, like Joe Blow, but not when one wishes death on a category of people. Swinish, yes, agin the rules, maybe not. [/QUOTE] I asked about this specifically in one of the Pit sticky threads. According to **Giraffe** (i think it was he who answered my question), you can’t wish death on another poster, but you can wish death on a broad group (provided that group isn’t so narrowly defined as to obviously be about a specific poster). You can also wish death on a specific individual if that person is not a member of the board. Ah, [here it is](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7266120&postcount=11) > [@Giraffe](#): > > It’s fine. If they don’t post here, you can wish for their demise. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2006, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/18 "2006-10-04T01:50:28Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] A “bit” too far? That’s it? That may be true, but what does it have to this partiuclar situation? Why do we need an analogy or a history lesson? No one is saying one should blindly obey authority at all times. The question is, **what about this particular time**? That’s all we’re talking about. [/QUOTE] Im not taking sides John (I don’t like the idea of U.S. soldiers dying at all), but you have to remember this is an international message board. We have had many a poster support the war on Iraq stipulating that Iraqi casualties are acceptable. Thus, we cannot be surprised when someone takes the opposing view point. However, I will say that in the name of open discourse which leads to the reduction of ignorance, his statements were along the same lines as “turn the ME into glass” or “kill em all and let God sort em out”. Both tactics I strongly disagree with and should be ignored. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2006, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/19 "2006-10-04T01:51:14Z")
[quote=Der Thris=And if someone invaded my country, would you say I was wrong to hope that we managed to kill them off ? Or is it only American soldiers whose life is sacrosanct ? I didn’t say “American soldiers”, I specified “American solders in Iraq” for a reason.[/quote] I love how this douchenozzle keeps trying to get people to think along the lines of “What if this country’s army invaded your country?” bullshit. This is assuming the insurgents are the majority of citizens that want Hussein in control. I suspect there are more Iraqi’s that want a stable government and the US to leave than there are people that want suicide bombers and radical nutcases running rampant beheading people because they follow one sect over another. According to this logic, call it Godwinizing if you must, he would have cheered the Nazi’s toward victory in WWII. After all, the US was part of removing the government in Germany, so the citizens had every right to kill Allied soldiers. I’ll say this. Were the US ever get to a point of having a government that was as brutal and dictatorial as either of the two mentioned, I’d gladly welcome the foreign soldiers. Especially if they were from a country that has proven that they’ll stick around and rebuild. (Germany and Japan had some pretty good years if I’m not mistaken.) But shitmonger just wants Americans to die. Fuck the “soldier” qualifier he likes to use to soften his bile. He wants Americans to die. Fuck him. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2006, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167/20 "2006-10-04T02:00:58Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Not that I know, or anything, but kinda assumed that rule was regarding wishing death on a particular person, like Joe Blow, but not when one wishes death on a category of people. Swinish, yes, agin the rules, maybe not. [/QUOTE] The moderators of this forum have repeatedly said they condone wishing death on American soldiers. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-holier-than-thou/375167.md?page=2)