# Der Trihs is a Misogynistic Jackass who gives both progressives and men a bad name **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 17, 2012, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748 "2012-08-17T04:26:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/161 "2012-08-29T04:13:11Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > If that’s the thread, then **olivesmarch4th** has seriously misrepresented Der Trihs’ posts to it. Care to point out the post(s) in question? That thread is loooooong and frankly I don’t give enough of a fuck to wade through it all. The Cliff’s notes version please. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/162 "2012-08-29T06:39:00Z")
> [@Rick](#): > > Care to point out the post(s) in question? That thread is loooooong and frankly I don’t give enough of a fuck to wade through it all. > The Cliff’s notes version please. I didn’t finish thread. Heck, I stopped reading after Der’s first post. Here’s a sample based on CTRL-F: Der’s first post: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12461664&postcount=134](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12461664&postcount=134) Der’s 2nd post: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12463204&postcount=165](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12463204&postcount=165) Olive’s response to the 2nd post: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12463464&postcount=169](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12463464&postcount=169) The reader can judge whether the contents above merit outrage. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/163 "2012-08-29T09:33:51Z")
I’m not seeing the “insane” level of vitriol **olives** was talking about, quite frankly. Not the thread _I’d_ choose to make that point in, and I don’t agree with his stance, but it was hardly vitriolic. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/164 "2012-08-29T10:00:46Z")
> [@Ibn Warraq](#): > > I’ve never met any women who argue that just because men are allowed to walk around topless that women should as well. Separate but equal? My foot! Freedom is the freedom to bare breasts! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/165 "2012-08-29T11:48:09Z")
I thought it was bare arms, but I am a textualist. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![ClintO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@ClintO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ClintO)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/166 "2012-08-29T12:25:58Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > He’s right. I _want_ to rape women, repeatedly, then beat the shit out of them if they dare to complain about it. Then rape them again. Raping and pillaging… mostly rape, lots and lots of rape ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/167 "2012-08-29T14:34:19Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m not seeing the “insane” level of vitriol **olives** was talking about, quite frankly. Not the thread _I’d_ choose to make that point in, and I don’t agree with his stance, but it was hardly vitriolic. I read the whole thread yesterday, and I think it’s not so much the actual words as the context. All these women were talking about their awful experiences and how men often don’t take their legitimate fears seriously, and then a couple of male Dopers showed up to do exactly that. Things went rapidly downhill from there. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/168 "2012-08-29T14:56:42Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > He’s right. I _want_ to rape women, repeatedly, then beat the shit out of them if they dare to complain about it. Then rape them again. Hell yeah! Why do people think I live in Thailand anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/169 "2012-08-29T15:40:46Z")
Unless I missed one somewhere, DT only had one other [post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12461664&postcount=250) to that thread beyond those linked above by MBM; a claim about the relative rates of domestic abuse for males/females. ETA: sorry the above link is incorrect, and my connection is slow at this time. It’s post #250 of that thread. > [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > I read the whole thread yesterday, and I think it’s not so much the actual words as the context. All these women were talking about their awful experiences and how men often don’t take their legitimate fears seriously, and then a couple of male Dopers showed up to do exactly that. Things went rapidly downhill from there. Even if DT’s position amounted to not taking their legimate fears seriously (to which I don’t agree), that’s not to say that he posted with an insane level of vitriol, which was Olive’s claim. Also, her claim that “he attacked the rape victims for being sexist, because they had PTSD” also amounts to a misrepresentation. He didn’t attack “rape victims” specifically, but a more general concept, and the whole notion that most women posting to that thread have or had PTSD appears to have been invented by Olives herself. ---
**Author:** ![jlzania](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@jlzania](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jlzania)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/170 "2012-08-29T17:26:04Z")
So let’s get back to the orginal quote **Fotheringay-Phipps**. Do you think the “average American woman” thinks every man is a potential rapist or supports and applauds rape? Do the women you encounter on a daily basis treat every man they meet as if they are a monsters? I’m really curious. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/171 "2012-08-29T17:29:25Z")
I don’t understand the context of your question. ---
**Author:** ![jlzania](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@jlzania](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jlzania)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/172 "2012-08-29T17:42:51Z")
I’m curious as to your opinion of the quote that started this whole thread. If you stated in early, I apologize but I missed it. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/173 "2012-08-29T17:54:26Z")
I did not address that quote specifically, but in my first post to this thread I did address DT’s attitudes WRT these issues generally. And what I said was that he is “largely correct” but given to hyperbolic statements. IOW, he’s correct that a double or inconsistent standard exists, but many or most of his assertions are exagerated (as are most of his assertions about most or all other issues). The specific quote in question is hard to pin down precisely. I personally think every strange man is a potential rapist - also a potential murderer, con artist, or pinball wizard. Question is likelihood and what degree of suspicion you have. Certainly as phrased in your second question, the answer is no. I don’t recall having ever seen any woman treat every man she meets as a potential monster, let alone the women I encounter on a daily basis. ---
**Author:** ![jlzania](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@jlzania](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jlzania)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/174 "2012-08-29T18:33:17Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > The specific quote in question is hard to pin down precisely. I personally think every strange man is a potential rapist - also a potential murderer, con artist, or pinball wizard. Then we have a very different world view. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/175 "2012-08-29T18:39:33Z")
That’s fine with me, but I’m not sure it’s actually true, at least as regards to this particular issue. My point was just that there’s a non-zero chance that any strange man might be a rapist (or anything else you might suggest), and until you’ve narrowed it down further WRT what level of likelihood you’re talking about it’s difficult to make any assertions. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/176 "2012-08-29T18:51:13Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > and I think most **womb** would object if the NCAA required all female swimmers to wear the same outfits as men. Fruedian slip? ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/177 "2012-08-29T20:41:17Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > I whole heartedly agree. Treating men and women the same is why the world is as fucked up as it is and why the global economy is in the shitter. The moment we started treating women like equals we started our own downfall. To fix this we must go back to treating women differently. Back to the kitchen ye vile wenches and fetches us a mead. > [@jlzania](#): > > What a load of absolute crap. > Treat me exactly like you would another man. > And no, none of the men I know would put up with someone poking them in the chest and they shouldn’t. Don’t freak out, I’m not a Republican saying we should be telling women to go back into the kitchen. I believe we need to account for the biological differences between men and women. A woman would need maternity leave. A single man would not. You can’t treat them the same. Likewise, with regards to abortion, women carry the babies, so they get to decide whether to abort or not. I would never support giving a man veto powers over a woman’s body in order to force her to carry a fetus to term I am for equal treatment regarding toplessness though. Men can go topless, so should women! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/178 "2012-08-29T20:51:07Z")
Most men shouldn’t, actually. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/179 "2012-08-29T20:52:38Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > I am for equal treatment regarding toplessness though. Men can go topless, so should women! 😃 But only if they are hot! Because then we’d have a our ready-made excuse for raping them: “hey, don’t blame me, did you see what she was wearing? She was asking for it!” ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748/180 "2012-08-29T21:32:07Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > That’s fine with me, but I’m not sure it’s actually true, at least as regards to this particular issue. > > My point was just that there’s a non-zero chance that any strange man might be a rapist (or anything else you might suggest), and until you’ve narrowed it down further WRT what level of likelihood you’re talking about it’s difficult to make any assertions. As in the example given earlier in this thread, there’s indeed a non-zero chance that any Australian traveler is a pedophile who will try to abuse during the flight a child who happens to be seated besides him. There’s also a non-zero chance that the stewardess asking him to leave the seat intends to hijack the plane. There’s a non-zero chance that I’ll end up raping an underage hijacker next time I fly to Australia. The issue is which probability higher than zero warrants special caution for ordinary people whose issues don’t include an irrational fear of men, women, pedophiles, hijackers or planes, as you said. A “reasonable” behavior or caution can’t be based on a non-zero chance of something happening, or else we would be constantly afraid that the underage raped hijacker would crash the Australian plane on our house. Currently, it seems that the line being traced in the sand is “It is reasonable to assume that every person flying a plane is as a potential hijacker and if male also a child rapist”. One might argue that it’s the best way to handle things, but it’s non-obvious. (For my part, I’ve an irrational fear of planes, so the risk I’ll be victim of a hijacker, rapist, poorly behaved child, irritating stewardess, idiotic company policy, etc… is zero 😉 ) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-is-a-misogynistic-jackass-who-gives-both-progressives-and-men-a-bad-name/631748.md?page=10)