# Der Trihs, our resident fanatic, tries to incite left wing violence **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 8, 2011, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929 "2011-01-08T23:30:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/21 "2011-01-09T02:07:23Z")
**DT** is a deluded, self-hating, pathetic, narrow-minded spreader of ignorance but dammit he’s our deluded, self-hating, pathetic, narrow-minded spreader of ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/22 "2011-01-09T02:13:42Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > **DT** is a deluded, self-hating, pathetic, narrow-minded spreader of ignorance but dammit he’s our deluded, self-hating, pathetic, narrow-minded spreader of ignorance. I used to think that about **Reeder**. As irritating as he was, I always thought I’d help him out IRL, just because he was a part of this community. Somehow, he was different from all the other deluded, self-hating, pathetic, narrow minded, spreaders of ignorance out there. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/23 "2011-01-09T02:26:33Z")
If you actually read what **Der Trihs** wrote instead of looking for calls for violence, it’s pretty clear that he was saying that elements in the Right are inciting violence, and that they’ll only stop when it backfires on them. He wasn’t calling for violence- if anything, he was decrying it. **Der Trihs** doesn’t need any help from the OP in looking like a left-wing loon. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/24 "2011-01-09T02:33:00Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > If you actually read what **Der Trihs** wrote instead of looking for calls for violence, it’s pretty clear that he was saying that elements in the Right are inciting violence, and that they’ll only stop when it backfires on them. He wasn’t calling for violence- if anything, he was decrying it. > > **Der Trihs** doesn’t need any help from the OP in looking like a left-wing loon. Isn’t that the point though? One could very easily argue the same about Sarah Palin and her target page on facebook. A reasonable person can guess that she just means targeting that district for political action and not violence, and yet people are arguing that it was a call for violence. I myself, while understanding the point of the map, don’t think it helped anything to put it mildly. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/25 "2011-01-09T02:36:55Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Isn’t that the point though? One could very easily argue the same about Sarah Palin and her target page on facebook. A reasonable person can guess that she just means targeting that district for political action and not violence, and yet people are arguing that it was a call for violence. I myself, while understanding the point of the map, don’t think it helped anything to put it mildly. I don’t think Palin was literally calling for violence, but she was calling for action, using violence as a metaphor. \*\*DT \*\*was just making a prediction. He was not calling for action. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/26 "2011-01-09T02:48:35Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I don’t think Palin was literally calling for violence, but she was calling for action, using violence as a metaphor. \*\*DT \*\*was just making a prediction. He was not calling for action. Again, neither do I. Again, that was the point. The map _can seem_ like a threat and his post _can seem_ like a threat. I certainly don’t think that DT wants republicans shot any more than Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman or any of the rest listed did. Not so sure about Glenn Beck, but probably not. None of these people said what they said because they wanted violence. They wanted attention. They wanted a reaction. Der Trihs wanted a reaction. The only real difference is scale. ---
**Author:** ![wolf\_in\_second\_hand\_clothing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9d8465/32.png) [@wolf\_in\_second\_hand\_clothing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_in_second_hand_clothing)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/27 "2011-01-09T02:57:28Z")
He’s not saying anything of the sort. He’s saying that the Republicans are stirring up the shit buckets that their followers have for brains, and they’re only going to feel a modicum of regret when one of their monsters turns on them. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/28 "2011-01-09T03:04:27Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I don’t think Palin was literally calling for violence, but she was calling for action, using violence as a metaphor. Wouldn’t you also think the same about what Bachman and Angle said? I would. I do think rhetoric like that used in the Kelly ad is pushing the line on though. Still, I believe a lot of this gun rhetoric isn’t intended to spur nutjobs to shoot anyone. I think it’s motivated by the left’s constant efforts to implement gun control and it’s an attempt to rub their right-wing defiance of the idea in the leftie’s faces. It’s also a metaphor for the type of preparation and determination suggested by the saying, “he’s loaded for bear.” In other words, Palin, Bachman, et al. are focusing attention certain problems and certain targets they think are responsible for those problems, and then gunning for those targets with votes. It is utterly ridiculous to think that any of these ads are really subliminal efforts to get right-wingers to shoot bullets at left-wingers. And if those of you here can’t bring yourself to believe that, then try considering the fact that doing so would only serve to create sympathy for the left, something the right would be loathe to do because it would result in more votes for the left. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/29 "2011-01-09T03:05:46Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > You right wingers are scum. You sit by while mainstream right-tards incite hatred and when duly the right wing terrorists get shooting you pathetically handwave a quote from some guy on the internet that does not in any way say what you say it did. You are the people inciting violence. And you got your way. Well done. Piss off. Your broad-brush ignorance has no place here, not even in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/30 "2011-01-09T03:06:31Z")
> [@lavenderviolet](#): > > it seems that our resident fanatic is trying to take advantage of this incident to incite violence against right-wingers. > Sure, he doesn’t come right out and say he wants it to happen, but it’s clear that he thinks that if a left winger were to respond to this with violence, DT thinks it’d be justified - the only solution. Because of course, it makes perfect sense that our elected officials want to see America turn into a warzone. That has worked so well for much of the Middle East. I don’t get that conclusion at all from reading what **Der** wrote. Like, at all. Not even if I stretch and twist it as tho it were some kind of taffy. I think you think he thinks that, but for all I know you’re one of those people who thinks that everyone else thinks like they think, and I gotta tell you something: not everyone thinks like you think, and not everyone thinks like you think they think. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/31 "2011-01-09T03:18:42Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > IGuy who shot the cops in Pitssburg? Rightwing nutjob > Guy who flew his plane into the IRS building? Rightwing nutjob. > Guy who vandalized Giffords office recently? Rightwing nutjob. > Those Christian militia guys? Rightwing nutjobs. > > They’re nuts. No questions. Doesn’t mean that they aren’t part of the conservative movement. I would like to see what evidence you have to the effect that the cop-shooter in Pittsburg was acting on behalf of the conservative movement. Maybe he was, I’m not aware of the incident. But I’d prefer not to have to just take your word for it. Andrew Joseph Stack III, the guy who flew his plane into the IRS building was most certainly a nutjob, but there is no indication he was either a right-winger or that his act was intended to further right-wing ideology. He had a hard-on toward the IRS, but Hollywood is full of liberals with hard-ons toward the IRS. Plus he was a software guy and a musician. Sounds like a leftie to me. 😃 The guys who vandalized Gifford’s office may have been overly zealous or they may have done it as a tactic. But there is no evidence they are crazy unless you have something to show to the contrary. And what Christian militia guys? Most of the militia guys I’m aware of are badass types of the sort that drink beer, screw and kick somebody’s ass. Are there really any militias out there devoted to and centered around Christianity? If so, I’m not aware of them. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/32 "2011-01-09T03:19:08Z")
So when Jesse Kelly held a rally inviting his supporters to “Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully a automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly” he was clearly just intending to hold a rally to support gun rights. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/33 "2011-01-09T03:25:33Z")
No, but he was using rhetoric that is code for “Let’s defy those fucking liberals with their namby-pamby gun laws and their pro-illegal immigration attitudes and get together to kick their asses out of office!” If you really think that Kelly and his supporters want people to start shooting leftie politicians with M16’s, you’re every bit as big a nutjob as you think they are. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/34 "2011-01-09T03:27:41Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > You’re interpretation of Der Tris’ meaning is not at all clear to me from the part you quoted. All that is clear to me from that quote is that he thinks inciting terror is a regular rightwing tactic and he think it seems to be working for them - not that he approves of the tactic or wishes others to adopt it. > > It doesn’t make sense - unless they think it will work out in their favor. > > Speaking of Dumb Things Our Elected Officials Think: > > [Sharon Angle:](http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/republicanquotes/a/Sharron-Angle-Quotes.htm) “if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies.” > > [Michelle Bachman:](http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/republicans/a/michele-bachmann-quotes.htm) “I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us ‘having a revolution every now and then is a good thing,’ and the people – we the people – are going to have to fight back hard if we’re not going to lose our country.” > > [Sarah Palin’s map targeting Congresswoman Giffords](http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/01/sarah-palin-had-congresswoman-giffords-her-controversial-crosshairs-map) > > [Sarah Palin:](http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201003240066) Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America “Don’t retreat, Instead- RELOAD!” > > [Pima County Rupublicans](http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/eliminationist-rhetoric-and-shooting) organizing an election event against Giffords: “Get on Target for Victory in November Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office Shoot a fully loaded M16 with Jesse” > > But let’s not talk about any of that. Let’s talk about Der Trihs, a random guy on the internet. That Der Trihs, he sure is a pistol, isn’t he. I didn’t read DT as calling for violence against Republicans, but as predicting that violence against Democrats will continue until Republicans are targeted. That isn’t a call for targeting, but a prediction, and a wrong one at that. Violence begets more violence, not less. I hope that no Republicans are targeted (hell, I prayed for 8 years that no one would make a martyr out of Bush or Cheney). But the fact of the matter is that right wing rhetoric is deliberately reckless and provocative in such a way that those of weak minds would be incited to do their dirty work for them. This is as much violence as a result of speech as the murder of Dr. Tiller was. There are lots of unhinged people out there and when people like Beck and Coulter play to them it is likely that one of them will snap, not unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![gravitycrash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@gravitycrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gravitycrash)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/35 "2011-01-09T03:34:02Z")
Inciting left-wing violence… tee hee. Hurry up Tea Party people, bolt and lock your doors because the lefties are going to get you because you’re all mean! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/36 "2011-01-09T03:59:56Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Wouldn’t you also think the same about what Bachman and Angle said? I would. I do think rhetoric like that used in the Kelly ad is pushing the line on though. > > Still, I believe a lot of this gun rhetoric isn’t intended to spur nutjobs to shoot anyone. I think it’s motivated by the left’s constant efforts to implement gun control and it’s an attempt to rub their right-wing defiance of the idea in the leftie’s faces. It’s also a metaphor for the type of preparation and determination suggested by the saying, “he’s loaded for bear.” > > In other words, Palin, Bachman, et al. are focusing attention certain problems and certain targets they think are responsible for those problems, and then gunning for those targets with votes. > > It is utterly ridiculous to think that any of these ads are really subliminal efforts to get right-wingers to shoot bullets at left-wingers. And if those of you here can’t bring yourself to believe that, then try considering the fact that doing so would only serve to create sympathy for the left, something the right would be loathe to do because it would result in more votes for the left. I don’t know enough about Bachman to say one way or the other. As for Angle, the kindest interpretation would be that she just wasn’t thinking. A neutral interpretation would be that she did, in fact, advocate armed insurrection. She said what she said. and she can backpedal all she wants. But in the end, we’re only left with the actual words that came out of her mouth. I might be a bit more lenient in the interpretation of she was speaking off the cuff as opposed to in a prepared speech. But still, it was a very stupid thing to say. Unless she meant it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/37 "2011-01-09T04:10:00Z")
I guess I must have missed it if you feel she said something that you would seriously take to mean she wanted her political oppenents shot. I’d be interested to know what she said if you’d care to point me to it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/38 "2011-01-09T04:18:12Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I guess I must have missed it if you feel she said something that you would seriously take to mean she wanted her political oppenents shot. I’d be interested to know what she said if you’d care to point me to it. I think you’re confusing two different threads here. This isn’t about the recent shooting in AZ. It’s about whether **DT** ’s post was a call for violence. I don’t think it was. I do think that Angel’s statements about Second Amendment Remedies was. As to whether that’s shooting political opponents, or violently resisting the police or other authorities is unclear. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/39 "2011-01-09T04:47:13Z")
Two pit threads at once, on separate topics… what an honor! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/40 "2011-01-09T04:48:56Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I think you’re confusing two different threads here. This isn’t about the recent shooting in AZ. It’s about whether DT’s post was a call for violence. I don’t think it was. I do think that Angel’s statements about Second Amendment Remedies was. As to whether that’s shooting political opponents, or violently resisting the police or other authorities is unclear. Actually I was getting a couple of **Merneith’s** posts mixed up. I read back upthread and found my error. I agree that Angle shouldn’t be saying things like how unhappy with Congress might start looking to 2nd Amendment remedies. I suspect that she meant to suggest that Congress was operating so arrogantly and so clearly against the will of the people (ala Pelosi’s exhortations to House members that they should vote for the health bill even though it cost them their jobs) that an armed revolution may become necessary in order to restore government to the people. I understand the sentiment, but she should have chosen her words more carefully. But I still don’t think she was exhorting conservatives to take up arms and start taking potshots at left-wing politicians. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929.md?page=3)