# Der Trihs, our resident fanatic, tries to incite left wing violence

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [January 8, 2011, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929 "2011-01-08T23:30:04Z")\
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**Author:** ![Ichbin\_Dubist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@Ichbin\_Dubist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichbin_Dubist)\
**Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/61 "2011-01-09T13:14:18Z")

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> [@Frank](#):
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> You’re a piece of fucking work, you are. You and your ilk are not the only members of “the people” in this country. You don’t get to define “defy the will of the people” as “do something I don’t like”.
> 
> Congress is elected by the people. The President is elected by the people. All the people, not just those parts of it that you deem theologically correct.

I’ve been down this road before. The Democrats only attain power by rigging elections, and the few who really vote for them have been kept in the dark by their propaganda wing, which is the entire media (minus a few true patriots). And everyone to the left of Olympia Snowe is a double agent for … somebody.

How the Democrats can be so efficiently sinister at controlling elections and the media, and so bad at pretty much everything else is something I’d love to hear explained.

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**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\
**Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/62 "2011-01-09T14:45:17Z")

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> [@Starving\_Artist](#):
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> Oh, good grief! She didn’t call for the launching of an armed revolution. She suggested that the time may be coming when an armed revolution would become necessary in order to take the country back from a government that had begun deliberately defying the will of the people. And the 2nd Amendment is central to the ability of the people to pull that off.
> 
> Get a grip, will ya?

Dude, you don’t get to just switch everything to the passive voice and pretend like it’s not saying the same thing. Your ability to be intentionally obtuse is remarkable sometimes.  
“She didn’t say to go out and kill elected officials, she just said that maybe it’s time for someone to take guns and overthrow the government! Totally different!”  
:rolleyes:

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**Author:** ![Laudenum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@Laudenum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laudenum)\
**Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/63 "2011-01-09T16:02:23Z")

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Having just read the OP and the post in question, I have to say that really, as nutty as DT normally is, and as willing as I normally am to slag him, there is no threat in that post, and nothing that deserves a pitting.

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**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\
**Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/64 "2011-01-09T16:11:21Z")

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Not to mention that if he is indeed attempting to incite violence, he seems to be doing a piss-poor job of it. Anyone plannning to go out and slap a few Republicans around because some anonymous mook on a message board supposedly said so?  
_crickets chirping_

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**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\
**Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/65 "2011-01-09T16:22:16Z")

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> [@ladyfoxfyre](#):
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> Dude, you don’t get to just switch everything to the passive voice and pretend like it’s not saying the same thing. Your ability to be intentionally obtuse is remarkable sometimes.  
> “She didn’t say to go out and kill elected officials, she just said that maybe it’s time for someone to take guns and overthrow the government! Totally different!”  
> :rolleyes:

In fairness, the “elected officials” could easily throw up their hands and surrender. And if they don’t and end up getting shot, well, that’s really their fault, isn’t it?

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**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\
**Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/66 "2011-01-09T16:23:37Z")

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> [@Harborwolf](#):
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> His rhetoric is certainly as inflammatory and as hateful as those he rails against.

Yes but a bit less effective. Doesn’t that make it a bit less irresponsible for him to say these things.

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**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\
**Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/67 "2011-01-09T16:26:10Z")

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[quote=“Blalron, post:19, topic:566929”]

> [@](#):
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> Originally Posted by The Buddha  
> Hostilities aren’t stilled through hostility… Hostilities are stilled through non-hostility: this, an unending truth.

So THATS how they stopped Hitler!!!

I can still someone’s hostility by killing them and anyone that cares about them.

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**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\
**Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/68 "2011-01-09T16:42:58Z")

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> [@Harborwolf](#):
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> **Merneith** , I’m not saying that both sides are wrong. I’m saying that that kind of talk is wrong regardless of side and especially if you are going to criticize one side for doing it. Doesn’t particularly matter the scale either. If you think that kind of talk is wrong, then it’s wrong. You can’t draw a wiggly little line and say that it’s okay because it’s just online and he’s not really important anyways. You’re doing the exact same stupid crap as Glenn Beck does when he says “I’m just a radio clown” and when Sarah Palin says “I’m not an elected official, just a concerned citizen.”

1. You personally may not have said the words “both sides are wrong.” But you -are- postulating that both sides are doing it, and pointing to Der Tris as an example.

2. I’ve said repeatedly that I reject the idea that the quote in the op is inciting left wing violence. I say it again. I read that quote the way John Mace did. There - you can agree with him, if you don’t want to agree with me.

3. I’ve said repeatedly that I don’t think it’s reasonable to ignore the difference in standing between a private citizen mouthing off on a random message board and public, popular media figures and politicians with massive salaries and direct influence over our national affairs..

The difference between Der Trihs saying he’s a private citizen and Beck or Palin saying they’re just private citizens is - Beck and Palin are lying.

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**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\
**Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/69 "2011-01-09T18:11:27Z")

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> [@Starving\_Artist](#):
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> > [@Merneith](#):
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> > IGuy who shot the cops in Pitssburg? Rightwing nutjob  
> > Guy who flew his plane into the IRS building? Rightwing nutjob.  
> > Guy who vandalized Giffords office recently? Rightwing nutjob.  
> > Those Christian militia guys? Rightwing nutjobs.
> > 
> > They’re nuts. No questions. Doesn’t mean that they aren’t part of the conservative movement.
> 
> I would like to see what evidence you have to the effect that the cop-shooter in Pittsburg was acting on behalf of the conservative movement. Maybe he was, I’m not aware of the incident. But I’d prefer not to have to just take your word for it.

First, some cites:

> **[2009 shooting of Pittsburgh police officers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Pittsburgh_police_shootings)**
>
> On April 4, 2009, a shootout occurred at 1016 Fairfield Street in the Stanton Heights neighborhood of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States, stemming from a mother and her 22-year-old son's argument over a dog urinating in the house. At approximately 7:11 a.m. EDT, 22-year-old Richard Poplawski opened fire on two Pittsburgh Police officers responding to a 9-1-1 call from Poplawski's mother, who was attempting to get the police officers to remove her son from the home. Despite Poplawski Accord...

[http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09095/960750-53.stm](http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09095/960750-53.stm) \<–Pittsburgh Post Gazette  
[http://www.wtae.com/r/21882886/detail.html](http://www.wtae.com/r/21882886/detail.html) \<– local Pittsburgh news  
[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30043893/ns/us\_news-crime\_and\_courts/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30043893/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/) AP, via msnbc

The shooter was Richard Poplawski. He and his mother got in an argument, she called 911, he shot at the responding officers killing 3 and woulding 2 others.

From Wiki:  
Edward Perkovic, a friend of Poplawski, said the gunman feared “the Obama gun ban that’s on the way” and “didn’t like our rights being infringed upon”. Perkovic also stated that Poplawski “didn’t like the Zionists controlling the media and controlling, you know, our freedom of speech” and that “He didn’t like the control of the guns that was about to happen. He believed everything our forefathers put before us and thought that it was being distorted.” Another longtime friend, Aaron Vire, said that Poplawski feared President Obama was going to take away his rights.

“The Obama Gun Ban”, “They’re trampling on our rights”, and “They’re destroying our forefather’s nation” are all common right-wing themes, promoted by notable conservative politicians and media figures.. The extra dose of anti-semitism doesn’t cancel that out.

Poplawski survived. His trial starts April 25.

> [@Starving Artist](#):
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> Andrew Joseph Stack III, the guy who flew his plane into the IRS building was most certainly a nutjob, but there is no indication he was either a right-winger or that his act was intended to further right-wing ideology. He had a hard-on toward the IRS, but Hollywood is full of liberals with hard-ons toward the IRS. Plus he was a software guy and a musician. Sounds like a leftie to me. 😃

I can see your confusion. Here, let me sort it out for you: hollywood liberals don’t fly planes into government buildings.

Now. Andrew Joseph Stack III, to give him the full serial killer treatment

> **[2010 Austin suicide attack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Joseph_Stack)**
>
> The 2010 Austin suicide attack occurred on February 18, 2010, when Andrew Joseph Stack III deliberately crashed his single-engine Piper Dakota plane into Building I of the Echelon office complex in Austin, Texas, United States, killing himself and Internal Revenue Service (IRS) manager Vernon Hunter. Thirteen others were injured, two severely. The four-story office building housed an IRS field office occupying the top three floors, along with a couple of private businesses on the firs In the a...

> **[2010 Austin suicide attack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_plane_crash)**
>
> The 2010 Austin suicide attack occurred on February 18, 2010, when Andrew Joseph Stack III deliberately crashed his single-engine Piper Dakota plane into Building I of the Echelon office complex in Austin, Texas, United States, killing himself and Internal Revenue Service (IRS) manager Vernon Hunter. Thirteen others were injured, two severely. The four-story office building housed an IRS field office occupying the top three floors, along with a couple of private businesses on the firs In the a...

[Plane Crash Suspect's Online Diatribe | The Smoking Gun](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/plane-crash-suspects-online-diatribe?page=1) \<– pdf  
[The Manifesto of Austin Texas Crash Pilot Joseph Andrew Stack - Business Insider](http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-insane-manifesto-2010-2) \<-html version

Stack isn’t just ‘anti-IRS’, he’s anti government - both common rightwing themes. His “manifesto” is the story of how he’s been fighting the government (and failing to pay his taxes) to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars for his whole adult life. It’s never his fault he loses his money, it’s never his fault he tries to avoid taxation - it’s always the sleazy, corrupt government.

Guess which political party has spent the last decades insisting that government is the problem, that government screws over all the the little people, that the IRS is our enemy, that taxes are unfairly taking “our” money - Did you say, “The Rightwing Republican party?” You did? Then you answered correctly.

Fuckwit also burned down his own family’s home while he was at. Attacking the governement was more important to him than providing a home for his child.

> [@Starving Artist](#):
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> The guys who vandalized Gifford’s office may have been overly zealous or they may have done it as a tactic. But there is no evidence they are crazy unless you have something to show to the contrary.

> **[Gabby Giffords](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_Giffords)**
>
> Gabrielle Dee Giffords (born June 8, 1970) is an American retired politician and gun violence prevention advocate. She served as a member of the United States House of Representatives representing Arizona's 8th congressional district from January 2007 until January 2012, when she resigned due to a severe brain injury suffered during an assassination attempt. A member of the Democratic Party, she was the third woman in Arizona's history to be elected to the U.S. Congress.
> Born and raised in T...

[http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE7072ON20110109](http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE7072ON20110109)  
[http://www.fox11az.com/news/local/Vandalism-at-Giffords-Office-After-Vote-88838197.html](http://www.fox11az.com/news/local/Vandalism-at-Giffords-Office-After-Vote-88838197.html)  
[Gabrielle Giffords Town Hall: Gun Left Behind | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/10/gabrielle-giffords-town-h_n_255656.html) \<– about the gun someone brougth to rally  
Giffords has been the subject of threats for several months now. We don’t know who did it, although rightwing is a sound bet, it’s not conclusive. We do know that attempting

I will say though - I think attempting to intimidate politicians through physical violence and wavign guns around is terroristic tactics. It was also a common tactic of rightwing groups this summer, attempting to intimidate politicians over the health bill vote. That’s when the gun got dropped at Gifford’s rally. The police were brought in to that one and no one got hurt that time.

> [@Starving Artist](#):
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> And what Christian militia guys? Most of the militia guys I’m aware of are badass types of the sort that drink beer, screw and kick somebody’s ass. Are there really any militias out there devoted to and centered around Christianity? If so, I’m not aware of them.

Sorry, I was referring to the Hutaree group -

> **[Hutaree](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutaree)**
>
> Hutaree /huːˈtɑːriː/ ⓘ was a militia movement group adhering to the ideology of the Christian Patriot movement, based near Adrian, Michigan, in the United States. The group formed in early 2006. The name "Hutaree" appears to be a neologism; the group's website says that the name means "Christian warriors", but an investigation by the FBI concluded the word does not have a Christian background. The group became widely known in 2010 after the United States FBI prosecuted them in federal co The Hu...

[http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/28/arrests-alleged-militia-activity-midwest/](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/28/arrests-alleged-militia-activity-midwest/)

> **[Militia Charged With Plotting to Murder Officers (Published 2010)](https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/us/30militia.html)**
>
> Members of a Christian militia were indicted on sedition and weapons charges in connection with an alleged plot to murder law enforcement officers.

[http://articles.cnn.com/2010-03-28/justice/militia.arrests\_1\_raids-arrested-militant?\_s=PM:CRIME](http://articles.cnn.com/2010-03-28/justice/militia.arrests_1_raids-arrested-militant?_s=PM:CRIME)

It’s a shame, but [hutaree.com](http://hutaree.com) seems to be offline. Their “Beast Watch” page was excellent.

I’ll quote Wiki on them, briefly:

> [@](#):
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> Hutaree is a militia movement group adhering to the Christian Patriot movement, based in Adrian, Michigan, in the United States.
> 
> The group was formed in early 2008. The name “Hutaree” appears to be a neologism; the group’s web site says that it means “Christian warriors”.
> 
> The group was allegedly preparing for what they believed would be an apocalyptic battle with the forces of the Antichrist, who they believed would be supported and defended by local, state and federal police departments. On their website, all police and military members who would support the current U.S. system of local, state or federal government were described as members of the “brotherhood”, and were considered by the Hutaree to be “enemies”. [1]

So yeah, definitely a Christian-centered militia. The asses they wanted to kick were those of US government and law enforcement, whom Hutaree considered their “enemies” and associated with the Antichrist.

And apparently, there’s a whole Christian Patriot movement within the overall ‘militia’ structure (in so far as it’s structed, anyway.) It’s not too surprising - Christianity and the militia movement are both big enough that there was bound to be some overlap, just like there is with Christianity and white supremicism (undoubtedly, there’s a possible Venn diagram with all three.)

As a group, they are pro-Ron Paul, and anti-UN, common right wing themes. Their immediate plan was to kill a LEO in Michigan and then attack the various officials (and their offices) during the first guy’s funeral.

So, you know: right wing nutjobs, involved in a right-wing movement, believing right wing propaganda.

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**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\
**Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/70 "2011-01-09T18:16:01Z")

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It doesnt matter, Der Trihs is still responsible for the violence.

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**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\
**Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/71 "2011-01-09T19:37:52Z")

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> [@xtisme](#):
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> I figured it was the standard Der Trihs rantage and just wanted to comment that even paranoids and fanatics have a point sometime.
> 
> -XT

And when they are right on a regular basis then we are living in interesting times. Personally I find DT less annoying and fanatic than you, xtisme, but both of you have perspectives that I value.

Real Civil War, not like the army set pieces we had in this country from 1861 to 1865, is beyond awful. Look at what Thucydides describes in Corinth, and what happened at the fall of the Roman Republic with Sulla and thereafter. It was an outright horror. If it happens in this country, with our hundreds of millions of firearms, it will make Stalin look civilized.

This is why lefties (I would have been a moderate in the early 70s with the same opinions) feels that all of Fox News is dangerous, that Sarah Palin and Sharon Angle and Limbaugh are dangerous and not mere entertainment. They may justify it to themselves as making their personal fortunes, but it is very dangerous, even if legal. Being a bill collector is legal too, and it doesn’t undermine the fabric of society.

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**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\
**Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/72 "2011-01-09T19:42:25Z")

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[QUOTE=Ichbin Dubist;13333764…and the few who really vote for them have been kept in the dark by their propaganda wing, which is the entire media (minus a few true patriots).[/QUOTE]

I know you were in full-on snark mode, so this is a response to those who actually believe this: what propaganda wing?

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**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\
**Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/73 "2011-01-09T20:18:09Z")

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> [@Starving\_Artist](#):
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> No, I’d say it would have more to do with a renegade congress whose leaders blatantly exhort their membership to defy the will of the people, followed by their doing so. After all, it’s Congress that has a 16% approval rating, not Obama.

“Blatantly exhort”??? I didn’t know you were that stupid. Do you know what those words mean? “Openly encourage” would be s synonymous phrase. That’s what politics IS. And since when is enacting health care reform defying the will of the people? Obama was elected to change course.

Should the people decide he and Congress have gone the wrong way anyway, neither Obama or Pelosi have done anything at all to prevent people from removing them via the ballot box later.

Renegade Congress?? What an incredible partisan hack you are.

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**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\
**Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/74 "2011-01-09T23:41:33Z")

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> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#):
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> They are not prepared to call for toning down the rhetoric in their own ranks, but they want us to tone down our condemnations of their rhetoric. …  
> The reality is that violence is a tool the far right loves to talk about as a viable option while the not so far right begs the whole country not to conclude that calling for violence sometimes leads to violence.

Well said. Very well said.

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**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\
**Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/75 "2011-01-09T23:44:49Z")

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> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#):
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> Or, you could just wait two fucking years for a new election.
> 
> Face it, there’s a large chunk of the right wing in this country doesn’t believe in democracy. If they don’t get what they want at the ballot box, they start stroking their Glocks.
> 
> I’m not the one fantasizing about violently overthrowing the legally elected government.

Wait a minute. I thought Repubs had a mandate. Then they lost it, and recently got it back? If its a Repub congress (the House at least) with another fucking mandate, how the fuck can they be renegade? ONLY I guess because the other argument “the President is a Foreign Muslim Commie Nigger” didn’t work like they had hoped.

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**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\
**Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/76 "2011-01-10T00:03:29Z")

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> [@Merneith](#):
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> First, some cites:

We’re having company for dinner tonight so it’ll be a while before I can look at your cites. But I did want to thank you for taking the time to find and post links to them before it got too late.

So, thanks for taking the time to find and post links to your cites. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\
**Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/77 "2011-01-10T01:03:44Z")

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> [@Merneith](#):
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> 1. You personally may not have said the words “both sides are wrong.” But you -are- postulating that both sides are doing it, and pointing to Der Tris as an example.

Again, you miss the point. I’m not using false equivalance to say that both sides are just as wrong. I’m saying that it’s wrong no matter the side. Just because one side does it more or worse doesn’t make it better or right for you to do it.

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> 1. I’ve said repeatedly that I reject the idea that the quote in the op is inciting left wing violence. I say it again. I read that quote the way John Mace did. There - you can agree with him, if you don’t want to agree with me.

I’ve actually agreed with both of you, though it’s nice you think I simply won’t agree with you out of some personal reason. My point is that while he doesn’t say it, you can rather easily interpret something that he didn’t mean into it. Much like the gun rally I pointed to earlier or Sarah Palin’s adorable little map with the crosshairs. It’s doubtful that either one of them wanted violence and entirely possible that they didn’t think anything like this would happen, but it did because morons spouted ill concieved words in a rush to gain attention. It’s all hyperbole until someone takes it seriously. Der Trihs saying something that could be interpreted as a threat while raging against those using words that have been interpreted as a threat is just too damned delicious.

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> 1. I’ve said repeatedly that I don’t think it’s reasonable to ignore the difference in standing between a private citizen mouthing off on a random message board and public, popular media figures and politicians with massive salaries and direct influence over our national affairs..

And I don’t think it’s reasonable to excuse that kind of talk at all simply because DT hasn’t published a book yet. He’s just as much an annoying extremist dick as Beck or Palin. The things he says are nearly as stupid. The republicans, as a party, are going to keep using the violence talk as long as they aren’t the ones getting shot? Really? Even if you discount the threat interpretation, that’s still blindingly stupid and worth calling out on that alone.

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> The difference between Der Trihs saying he’s a private citizen and Beck or Palin saying they’re just private citizens is - Beck and Palin are lying.

Please. You just don’t give a shit because DT is on your side. You’re just as much a partisan hack as those excusing the right.

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> Please. You just don’t give a shit because DT is on your side. You’re just as much a partisan hack as those excusing the right.

How many people listen to **Der Trihs’s** show again? What did **Der Trihs** say the last time he was invited to comment by a major network? How did **Der Trihs’s** last Vice Presidential run go?

Talk about missing the fucking point.

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**Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/79 "2011-01-10T01:55:23Z")

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> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#):
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> The poor right winger nut jobs on this board don’t want us to jump to any unfair conclusions that just because some **anti-Semitic, Limbaugh listening, immigrant hating and gold hoarding schizophrenic** assassinates a federal judge by accident and a bunch of others at a Democratic Congresswoman’s meet the people event that their constant references to the second amendment, targeting their enemies, reloading and let’s bomb the New York Times has anything to do with it.

Can you cite any of that? No, no you can’t.

You know a great many happen to be calling him a rabid lefty? Yes, yes you do.

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**Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-our-resident-fanatic-tries-to-incite-left-wing-violence/566929/80 "2011-01-10T02:12:51Z")

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> [@Walmarticus](#):
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> Can you cite any of that? No, no you can’t.
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> You know a great many happen to be calling him a rabid lefty? Yes, yes you do.

The gold bit is from his youtube channel. That’s pretty well documented. The rest is conjecture.

What’s the lefty talk from? One chick that last talked to him 4 years ago?

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