# Der Trihs Pitting du jour **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 7, 2011, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714 "2011-01-07T04:39:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/261 "2013-11-16T20:40:29Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > No he’s fucking not. The guy does not have the ability to even come close to making distinctions. The dude is goddamn nuts. I honestly don’t get why anybody defends him. What I hear is shit like: “His point about the vast majority of rape cases being false accusations really makes you think, and I’m glad we have him here to put forth these ideas. He really makes you think. Besides, he’s only talking about the women who have vaginas” That’s bullshit. > > **Der Trihs** is a bigot, plain and simple. He is a neck bearded “men’s rights” advocate with personal issues that manifest as militant atheism, hatred of any form of authority, and disturbingly deep misogyny. I think we’re actually in agreement here - the point I was making is that when **Der** is screaming about Christians he’s arguing that they’re doing exactly what their religion is telling them too; he insists that Christianity is founded on murder, conversion at sword-point, the rack and the flame, and that the Bible says it should be. The “men’s rights” stuff started only when he’d been here for a while, but the hatred of religion goes way back. It’s been interesting, though, to see his popular support fall away since his screeching hatred extended from, say, pro-life advocates and Christians generally to women. Suddenly he’s no longer the favourite attack dog he used to be. ---
**Author:** ![Karrius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@Karrius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karrius)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/262 "2013-11-16T20:48:14Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Your defense of DT is that he’s no worse than a blithering nutjob? Color me unimpressed. Yes, my defense of “DT isn’t banned because he’s a liberal!” is “But there are worse conservatives on the board who aren’t banned.” I think this is logical and holds up fine. Do you disagree? Like I said, I’d be happy to see them both banned, but nobody seems to actually read what I write… ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/263 "2013-11-16T20:53:34Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > **Shodan** is a racist? Can you share some posts that support that accusation. There’s [the whole thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=602950) he started complaining about race realists being modded for dragging their stupid pseudoscience bullshit into every Africa thread. He defends Chen019 and Chief Pedant’s postings privileges as valuable insight. Oh, [and he sees nothing wrong](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=671572) with telling Blacks they have “one foot in the jungle” I say he’s a racist because while he doesn’t make the racist remarks himself, he constantly defends those who do. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/264 "2013-11-16T21:13:57Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I say he’s a racist because while he doesn’t make the racist remarks himself, he constantly defends those who do. That doesn’t make him racist, any more than my defending the right of someone to talk about their faith here makes me Christian. It just means that we consider the right to speak ones mind more important than the right not to be offended. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/265 "2013-11-16T21:19:19Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Accusations of racism are (often) used to derail a discussion. Yeah, you know [who else](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13640012&postcount=56) thought accusations of racism meant he’d made a point? Great company there… > [@Steophan](#): > > All right wingers are automatically racist, hadn’t you heard? I’ve been told that plenty of times on this board. Maybe it’s because you still say racist things like that South Africa is full of tribesmen living in the bush? Maybe? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/266 "2013-11-16T21:23:05Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > That doesn’t make him racist, any more than my defending the right of someone to talk about their faith here makes me Christian. Being a Christian isn’t the same thing as being a racist. See, if you had him leaping to the defence of, say, the paedophiles’ right to speak, you’d have a case. > [@](#): > > It just means that we consider the right to speak ones mind more important than the right not to be offended. Gloss over hate speech as merely offensive all you want. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/267 "2013-11-16T21:35:48Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Being a Christian isn’t the same thing as being a racist. See, if you had him leaping to the defence of, say, the paedophiles’ right to speak, you’d have a case. It’s harmful and indefensible in both cases. > [@](#): > > Gloss over hate speech as merely offensive all you want. I’m not. We’re not talking about hate speech here. We’re talking about jokes and misunderstanding (wilfully or otherwise) science and statistics. They are emphatically not the same thing, and by claiming they are you damage your cause and insult victims of racism. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/268 "2013-11-16T21:55:11Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > Yes, my defense of “DT isn’t banned because he’s a liberal!” is “But there are worse conservatives on the board who aren’t banned.” That you consider brazilnut conservative is telling. He’s not conservative, he’s a nutjob. Nobody defends him. Everybody points and laughs at him. As much of a nutjob as he is, I don’t think I’ve ever seen him describe people he disagrees with as evil. He tends towards declaring anyone disagreeing with him as straw manning him whether they are or not, and calling them liars before he banninates them. > [@](#): > > I think this is logical and holds up fine. Do you disagree? Like I said, I’d be happy to see them both banned, but nobody seems to actually read what I write… People not agreeing with what you write isn’t the same thing as not reading what you write. And no, calling brazilnut and DT equal isn’t logical and doesn’t hold up. I don’t really care if DT gets banned or not, I learned to just ignore his ranting a long time ago. What I find absurd are some of the defenses offered for him and his behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/269 "2013-11-16T23:24:29Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > I don’t really mind the religious stuff. Call me a bad person if you like, but frankly Christian religions are way too coddled in this country, even when they do horrible, horrible things. When major anti-abortion groups have ties to murderers and terrorists, and they’re still largely accepted by society at large, Society at large? Do tell. And by “do tell” I mean cite? > [@](#): > > when republican politicians literally talk about setting up concentration camps, Cite? And make sure it’s a leading Republic politician instead of some local schlub with absolutely no support outside of his township. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/270 "2013-11-16T23:32:35Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > He went into the thread complaining about the racism towards Miss America, and made racist jokes. Because he’s not _really_ racist, so he can make racist cracks, you understand. It’s just in good fun because he’s not a real racist, no sir. Mind you, he’ll also gladly argue that it’s non-white people who are the real racist in multiple threads, and make fun of people complaining about racism they face, because clearly that’s a hilarious topic to him. > > Of course, you likely don’t think that’s racist because you’re even more racist than he is. Yeah, yeah, we get it. Everyone who brings up anything concerning race that might make you uncomfortable is RACIST!!! You’re really a dumb shit. You constantly mischaracterize poster’s posts concerning race as RACISM. You get called on this multiple times and you put your fingers in your ears. Yawn. The fact that you don’t see your bias is astounding. But that’s what makes you so stupid. Now if you did have a valid point, you would take your accusations with the seriousness they deserve and provide the ACTUAL posts that you think qualifies someone as racist. YOu’d be able to point to each specific one and show clearly why it is racist. But you don’t want to do that. Because then your accusations don’t seem fair. Instead, you prefer to scream RACIST and hope it sticks, like wetness to water. Your debate style is like a party celebrating the coming together of two fallacies: Begging the Question and Ad Hominem. Drink up you lush. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/271 "2013-11-16T23:42:30Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > [redacted] Wow, with these 3-D glasses, I can actually _see_ the spittle flying! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/272 "2013-11-16T23:43:13Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > At the same time, he’s still less stupid than a lot of “posters in good standing” on this message board, so it’s hard to really signal him as being all that bad, when he’s routinely surrounded by, and arguing against, worse. I have very mixed feelings here I cannot properly put into words. Perhaps you’re simply full of shit and too worked up about the subject to realize it. > [@Karrius](#): > > Christian religions are way too coddled in this country, even when they do horrible, horrible things. When major anti-abortion groups have ties to murderers and terrorists, and they’re still largely accepted by society at large, when republican politicians literally talk about setting up concentration camps, HEY, **Der Trihs** , I think I found the girl for you!!! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/273 "2013-11-16T23:55:26Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Being a Christian isn’t the same thing as being a racist. See, if you had him leaping to the defence of, say, the paedophiles’ right to speak, you’d have a case. No. The point is not how bad the label is, but what the threshold is that one might pass in order to be accurately characterized as such. So, for instance, someone arguing for allowing more religious expression in the public square, may or may not be a Christian. Someone arguing against abortion, may or may not be a Christian. Someone discussing whether all races have the same cognitive abilities may or not be a racist. Not only that, given the seriousness of the accusation of “racist”, don’t you think the bar for using it should be pretty fucking high? Or do you think using it more cavalierly is just fine? > [@MrDibble](#): > > Gloss over hate speech as merely offensive all you want. But shouldn’t we determine first that it actual hate speech? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/274 "2013-11-17T00:01:39Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > No. The point is not how bad the label is, but what the threshold is that one might pass in order to be accurately characterized as such. So, for instance, someone arguing for allowing more religious expression in the public square, may or may not be a Christian. Someone arguing against abortion, may or may not be a Christian. Someone discussing whether all races have the same cognitive abilities may or not be a racist. > > Not only that, given the seriousness of the accusation of “racist”, don’t you think the bar for using it should be pretty fucking high? Or do you think using it more cavalierly is just fine? But that’s not even the bar he’s setting, it’s lower than that. It’s not someone who talks about race, it’s someone who supports someone’s right to talk about race who is racist. Which is utterly absurd, and why I made a ridiculous comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Karrius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@Karrius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karrius)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/275 "2013-11-17T00:18:48Z")
> [@](#): > > That you consider brazilnut conservative is telling. He’s not conservative, he’s a nutjob. Nobody defends him. Everybody points and laughs at him. This is flat out not true. I WISH it was true, but people have defended brazil. > [@magellan01](#): > > HEY, **Der Trihs** , I think I found the girl for you!!! First of all, I’m a dude. Second of all, what part of that is untrue? _A republican politician has literally talked about setting up concentration camps._ But, you know, you’d rather just shrug it off, apparently because you’ve never met a minority you don’t jack off at the thought of hurting. > [@](#): > > Society at large? Do tell. And by “do tell” I mean cite? [Operation Rescue senior policy advisor and noted terrorist has contact with murderer which she outright lies about, while the group as a whole outright lies about their connection with him.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rescue_(Kansas)) Personally, I’d consider any group with a policy advisor who’s been arrested for trying to blow up doctor’s clinics suspect, but, well, the anti-abortion folks seem to have no problem with terrorism. They themselves claim [they are “one of the leading pro-life Christian activist organizations in the nation” and are the “most visible voice of the pro-life activist movement in America”.](http://www.operationrescue.org/about-us/who-we-are/) > [@](#): > > Cite? And make sure it’s a leading Republic politician instead of some local schlub with absolutely no support outside of his township. [Former South Carolina GOP executive.](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/16/gop-politician-wants-concentration-camps-trans-people/) How much of this is just because he’s willing to say it, and the rest of his party doesn’t have the guts to? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/276 "2013-11-17T00:44:36Z")
> [@](#): > > Cite? And make sure it’s a leading Republic politician instead of some local schlub with absolutely no support outside of his township. > [@Karrius](#): > > [Former South Carolina GOP executive.](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/16/gop-politician-wants-concentration-camps-trans-people/) How much of this is just because he’s willing to say it, and the rest of his party doesn’t have the guts to? This guy held the job of GOP executive for three months. Several years ago. In your opinion, was your description of him the best, most honest, most fair-minded one you could have made? > [@Karrius](#): > > How much of this is just because he’s willing to say it, and the rest of his party doesn’t have the guts to? Fallacy of argumentum ad ignoratium. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/277 "2013-11-17T01:03:37Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > _A republican politician has literally talked about setting up concentration camps._ Ermm… cite? ---
**Author:** ![Karrius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@Karrius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karrius)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/278 "2013-11-17T01:07:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > In your opinion, was your description of him the best, most honest, most fair-minded one you could have made? The description I made was “a republican politician”. That was it. I’m not going to play the “I demand you present a more PROMINENT republican politician” game. It’s a way to deflect from the homophobia that poisons the republican party as a whole, in a way to pretend it doesn’t exist, and the “Oh, well, we support traditional marriage” isn’t pure bigotry. Your guys, your party, you deal with it. Why is “Liberals are holding these guys up to shame us?” a bigger deal than “We have fucking nazis in our party”. Any comments on the anti-abortion groups being linked to murder and terrorism, btw? Why do _you_ feel that that issue basically gets zero buzz and zero media coverage besides a few passed over exposes? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/279 "2013-11-17T01:12:44Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > The description I made was “a republican politician”. That was it. I’m not going to play the “I demand you present a more PROMINENT republican politician” game. It’s a way to deflect from the homophobia that poisons the republican party as a whole, in a way to pretend it doesn’t exist, and the “Oh, well, we support traditional marriage” isn’t pure bigotry. Yes, and I don’t deny that this is literally true. Kincannon is, in a sense, a politician, and he’s clearly a self-identifying member of the Republican Party. But I asked you, “Was your description of him the best, most honest, most fair-minded one you could have made?” > [@](#): > > Any comments on the anti-abortion groups being linked to murder and terrorism, btw? Why do _you_ feel that that issue basically gets zero buzz and zero media coverage besides a few passed over exposes? My comment is that this is another disingenuous bit of phrasing. “Linked to,” doesn’t have a particularly well-defined meaning, and it allows you to defend a tenuous connection as literally falling within the ambit of your claim. ---
**Author:** ![Karrius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@Karrius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karrius)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/280 "2013-11-17T01:15:23Z")
> [@](#): > > My comment is that this is another disingenuous bit of phrasing. “Linked to,” doesn’t have a particularly well-defined meaning, and it allows you to defend a tenuous connection as literally falling within the ambit of your claim. You’re right - having your senior policy advisor, who was once arrested on charges of conspiracy to blow up a doctor’s clinic, claim they had never talked to a murderer, when it turns out they had actually helped that murderer track his victim’s movements repeatedly is a “tenuous connection”. There is no connection to _any_ sort of terrorism there! No wrong doing at all. Christ, you’d think somebody had died or something with the way I’m acting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714.md?page=15)