# Der Trihs Pitting du jour **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 7, 2011, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714 "2011-01-07T04:39:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/81 "2011-01-10T13:46:34Z")
I’ve seen nothing here to indicate DT hates women. He’s very eager to throw that accusation on anyone who isn’t totally pro-choice. Here’s what I’ve wondered for a while~ he’s repeatedly said that anyone who is religious is stupid, evil &/or insane. He’s also mentioned that his mother was a Christian, tho she had the decency to be too ashamed to tell anyone. So which of the three labels does he think applied to his mother? Would it be bad form to ask him that the next time he trots out the three labels? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/82 "2011-01-10T13:48:00Z")
Would it really surprise you if a significant portion of Der’s idiosyncratic worldview derived from some sort of mommy issues? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/83 "2011-01-10T14:27:22Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No. Why should one logically follow from the other? Sounds like Fallacy of Division to me. > Once again, I am missing the logical connection or you’re commiting the same fallacy as **Kong**. > I’m not a bigot - bigotry is irrational. My dislike for (collective) America is entirely based on sound reasons, such as its past warmongering actions and current popular rhetoric. > Oh, **Finn** , when will you realize I’m no nationalist. Am I supposed to bridle at any negative mention of South Africa? Didn’t you learn your lesson in that last Israeli espionage thread? You’re so\* cute \*when you attempt to tu quoque with the big boys, yes, you are! It follows because ET believes thY and you said you agree… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/84 "2011-01-10T14:55:59Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > They say it’s sure sign of mental illness when you think everyone is wrong but you. Heh. I’m sure I’ve heard the same thing said about you at some point or another. I tend to read posts before looking at who writes them and becuase **DT** is on the liberal side of the fence he occasionally says things I agree with. Sadly this is often followed by something WAY out of proportion to the rest of his post. My mental monologue in reading his longer posts is usually along the lines of “okay, I can kind of agree with that and WHOA THERE oh it’s **Der Trihs** ”. It’s like “2+2 = 4 therefore NAZI DEATH SQUADS” - it starts out okay and takes the first exit to Crazyland. I usually just ignore it and move on. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/85 "2011-01-10T17:57:37Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Once again, I am missing the logical connection or you’re commiting the same fallacy as **Kong**. I’m just trying to figure out what you meant when you said: > [@](#): > > I have no problem with his stance on Americans. While I might phrase it less … colourfully, shall we say…it pretty much jibes with my own opinion that America is just no damn good. He said he thinks most Americans are near-sociopaths. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/86 "2011-01-10T17:59:11Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Heh. I’m sure I’ve heard the same thing said about you at some point or another. > > I tend to read posts before looking at who writes them and becuase **DT** is on the liberal side of the fence he occasionally says things I agree with. Sadly this is often followed by something WAY out of proportion to the rest of his post. My mental monologue in reading his longer posts is usually along the lines of “okay, I can kind of agree with that and WHOA THERE oh it’s **Der Trihs** ”. It’s like “2+2 = 4 therefore NAZI DEATH SQUADS” - it starts out okay and takes the first exit to Crazyland. I usually just ignore it and move on. That’s pretty much my take as well. He says some things I kind of agree with, then goes off the deep end with things like “Americans are near-sociopaths.” Or “Christians want to put me in a concentration camp.” ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/87 "2011-01-10T18:05:57Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Or maybe it’s Catholics. Moi? HAW HAW HAW!!! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/88 "2011-01-10T20:11:21Z")
[QUOTE=Snarky\_Kong] It follows because ET believes thY and you said you agree… [/QUOTE] No, I said I have\* no problem\* with his stance. That _doesn’t_ mean either I or DT think most SD posters display the characteristics of Americans _en masse_. Like I said, Fallacy of Division. > [@suranyi](#): > > I’m just trying to figure out what you meant when you said: > > > [@](#): > > > > I have no problem with his stance on Americans. While I might phrase it less … colourfully, shall we say…it pretty much jibes with **my own opinion that America is just no damn good**. > > He said he thinks most Americans are near-sociopaths. …and I said _my_ opinion is that “America is just no damn good”. And I said his stance “pretty much jibes” with mine. This _doesn’t_ mean I take every nuance of his stance as my own. Just that our two stances are in general agreement - neither of us likes America very much at all. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > And you’re so stupid that you believe I used a tu quoque. No, I said you _tried_ to. But, of course, the attempt was made of fail, no surprise there. The rest of your stupid one-track drivel doesn’t deserve any more answer than I already gave others. America’s modern track record as Imperialist and warmonger is there for all to see, it hardly needs me to prove it. But you can deny it all you like, apologetics for murderers is your niche, I guess. > [@](#): > > To say nothing if your grasping obsessions over threads years past. Poor fool. Dude, it was _less than a year ago_. And it’s a tactic you’ve used more than once. Of course you stick out in my mind as a flailing simp, how could you not? It’s all you \*can \*do, since you clearly haven’t even mastered the subtleties of “No, U!”. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/89 "2011-01-10T20:20:12Z")
**Mr. Dibble** : \*\*DT \*\*said Americans are “near-sociopaths” and that “your typical American is a murderous sadistic thug”. You say America (not Americans) are no damn good. I see a lot of space between those to statements, so can you clarify in what way **DT** ’s stance “jibes” with yours? BTW, I don’t see much “nuance” in **DT** ’s position. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/90 "2011-01-10T21:07:19Z")
Well, he did use the qualifiers ‘near’ and ‘typical’, plus there is quite a bit of “nuance” in ‘murderous sadistic thug’. I mean, we could be pygmy raping murderous sadistic thugs, or gleeful murderous sadistic thugs, or elephant cocked murderous sadistic thugs. There are lots of levels here that Mr. Dibble might agree with or disagree with on principal… -XT ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/91 "2011-01-10T21:10:13Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I see a lot of space between those to statements, so can you clarify in what way **DT** ’s stance “jibes” with yours? I said it before - we \*both \*have a strong negative view of America as a nation, and Americans as a collective group. Now, I _don’t_ think most \*Americans \*are (near-)sociopaths or murderous sadistic thugs, but I think _America_ certainly plays one on the international stage. And _Americans_ have to accept responsibility for that, for the evil their country does, just as much as any good it doubtless also achieves. > [@](#): > > BTW, I don’t see much “nuance” in **DT** ’s position. He dis say “near-” and “typical” . Plenty of margin there :). ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/92 "2011-01-10T21:14:56Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Heh. I’m sure I’ve heard the same thing said about you at some point or another. That’s because I post on a board dominated by people whose politics are diametrically opposed to mine. I could go on a right-wing board saying the same things and be hailed as the wisest of sages. 😃 The difference with **Der Trihs** is that he thinks _everybody_ is wrong but him - mostly they’re people, and secondarily because they’re Americans. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/93 "2011-01-10T21:24:37Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I said it before - we \*both \*have a strong negative view of America as a nation, and Americans as a collective group. Now, I _don’t_ think most \*Americans \*are (near-)sociopaths or murderous sadistic thugs, but I think _America_ certainly plays one on the international stage. And _Americans_ have to accept responsibility for that, for the evil their country does, just as much as any good it doubtless also achieves. OK. I think that clarifies things pretty well. While I share a lot of your concern (to put it lightly) about the enormity of the US’s military posturing around the world, and I’m all in favor of scaling that back significantly, one thing to keep in mind is that the role of Global Superpower is going to be filled by some country. At his point in time, your choice is pretty much the US, China or maybe Russia (although they are only a shadow of what the USSR formerly was). ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/94 "2011-01-10T21:36:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > That’s because I post on a board dominated by people whose politics are diametrically opposed to mine. I could go on a right-wing board saying the same things and be hailed as the wisest of sages. 😃 > > The difference with **Der Trihs** is that he thinks _everybody_ is wrong but him - mostly they’re people, and secondarily because they’re Americans. Not that it matters all that much but I meant to say “mostly \*because \*they’re people…” For some reason ever since I got this laptop I find that I’m dropping words all the time. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/95 "2011-01-10T21:46:02Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > one thing to keep in mind is that the role of Global Superpower is going to be filled by some country. I strongly disagree that this is some Law of Nature. I can easily conceive of a world where no superpower exists or needs to. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/96 "2011-01-10T21:49:05Z")
So could I, but in such a world there wouldn’t be any modern nation states either. Can you think of a historical example in modern times where there weren’t superpowers? I can’t think of a single one… -XT ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/97 "2011-01-10T22:18:37Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I strongly disagree that this is some Law of Nature. I can easily conceive of a world where no superpower exists or needs to. I can, too. But those worlds all exist either 200 years ago or more, or sometime in the distant future when we have a One World Government. Having said that, I will just agree to disagree in this thread. The topic might make a good GD thread, but let’s focus on the real issue here, which is a Pitting of **DT**. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/98 "2011-01-10T23:47:24Z")
Of course, perhaps you’re right on one particular. Maybe you’re obsessed and consumed with the memory of a thread which may have occurred within the last year, not obsessed and consumed with the memory of a thread that occurred more than a year ago. As for obsession over “tactics” I’ve used, and such, that’s probably about as honest and accurate as your whole “I agree with Der’s hatred of Americans as a group. Except I don’t agree, since I just said I have no problem with it and it jibes with my views and not “I agree”. Except I do agree that the ‘characteristics of Americans’ are negative. Except I take exception to the suggestion that one should use fallacies such as composition. Except when I’m founding my bigotry on the fallacy of division by ascribing America’s behavior as a nation to its citizenry, or the fallacy of composition by ascribing the behavior of some of America’s leadership to the nation as a whole.” Obviously, your obsession over a thread which may have occurred within the last year is certainly the source of an accurate description of what transpired in it. > [@MrDibble](#): > > I said _my_ opinion is that “America is just no damn good”. And I said his stance “pretty much jibes” with mine. So, domesticated ferret? Polecat? Is there a specific weasel variety that you most strongly identify with? > [@MrDibble](#): > > I have no problem with his stance on Americans. While I might phrase it less … colourfully, shall we say…it pretty much jibes with my own opinion that America is just no damn good. > Not that some of my best friends aren’t American, mind you. Oh wait, no, they’re Canadian… “I have no problem with the stance that Europeans were right and justified to dominate the inferior proto-humans of South Africans. Not that I’m agreeing with that, mind you, I just don’t have a problem with it. But some of my best friends are South African.” You were agreeing with a bit of bigotry about _Americans_, not just _America_. That’s why you used your ever-so-amusing “some of my best friends” line. > [@MrDibble](#): > > I said it before - we \*both \*have a strong negative view of America as a nation, and Americans as a collective group. Yes, bigot, having a strong negative reaction to a national group is bigotry. I know you’re stupid, and you think that it’s okay as long as you’re not directing your prejudice at a race. But, well, that’s part of the fact that bigotry and racism literally indicate a broken brain. \*If you were capable of proper thought, you wouldn’t be a bigot. \* This is somewhat basic, so I understand if it’s far beyond you. > [@MrDibble](#): > > No, I said you _tried_ to. I recognize the fact that you’re very stupid and dealing with a brain that simply doesn’t work properly due to bigotry (much better than racism, and totally trendy). But I’ll try to point out why you’re being fucking retarded. A tu quoque fallacy is an attempt to justify a position by pointing out that someone else does the same thing, or something similar. Or to claim that their argument can be rebutted by the fact that the person making it is a hypocrite. I know you’re suffering from a bad case of _dumb_, but I didn’t do that or “attempt to do that” (Stoat? Black-foooted ferret? Egyptian ferret?) Bigotry is rebutted by the fact that it’s _based on fallacy, stupidity and hate_, you idiot-bigot. Yes, even if bigots claim that hating groups of people (except the good ones) is totally rational. I did, however, point out that you, personally, are suffering from a broken-brain due to your bigotry and you’re fine with bigotry against Americans as a group, but opposed to racism and its colonial consequences when it was directed against South Africans. Seeing as how this is the Pit, pointing out that you’re an idiot, a bigot, and a hypocrite who employs well trod bigot-rhetoric is well twinned with pointing out that your position is\* also\* a prime cut of retard-grade bigotry. Your ‘position’ was already debunked, as it’s simply rank bigotry. I was simply pointing out that like most other racists and bigots, you use blatant stupidity and malleable standards to claim that hating the _correct_ group of people is completely right and natural but hating the _wrong_ group of people is just silly. You can content yourself with the fact that unlike a White Nationalist who hates blacks (except for the ‘good’ ones) and thinks that negative views of European whites is just wrong, you hate the _correct_ group of people. You don’t hate blacks because of the crime rate, that would be\* silly\*. You hate Americans because of the actions of some elected official. That’s the _good_ kind of group-hate. Not like all those lesser, incorrect, bigots. Your bigotry is the good kind. The right kind. It’s the very picture of scientifically-directed broad brush hated. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/99 "2011-01-11T01:30:01Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I strongly disagree that this is some Law of Nature. I can easily conceive of a world where no superpower exists or needs to. I really think that’s a bit naive. Do you think it at all realistic that if no country had troops in another’s starting tomorrow, that it would stay that way for any time at all? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714/100 "2011-01-11T02:32:28Z")
The problem is, even if it wasn’t _stupid_ (“Some American legislators do things that I don’t like, so America is bad and I hate Americans”), it’d still be _ignorant._ Since the ancient world there has been systemic disparity between nations, tribes, nation-states, whatever. There is always conflict, there is always non-equality in resources, there’s always difference in goals and beliefs, there’s always one group with more influence, more economic potency, more military power. Until we get to the ‘post-scarcity’ reality that some anarchists pipedream about, the idea that we won’t have significant variations on national influence and potency is simply some flavor if ignorance mixed with some flavor of stupid. And in any case, any ‘post-scarcity’ sort of reality would most likely be so different from humanity as we know it that folks can pretty much just start making things up as they see fit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs-pitting-du-jour/566714.md?page=6)