# Der Trihs **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 3, 2009, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150 "2009-11-03T08:22:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/521 "2009-11-11T13:08:47Z")
> [@Mapache](#): > > What you mean “we”, white man? > > Take a count of the people defending DT vs. those attacking, and add me on the defending side. I just wish I could express my disdain for religion in general as eloquently as DT, Boyo Jim, Brian, Gustav and the rest, but I can’t so I mostly lurk. > Besides, you Americans and Europeans live in places where Xians are somewhat restrained in their power-hunger by laws; try living, as I do,somewhere where the RCC has real political clout sometime and see what it’s like. I would wager that a lot of non-Catholic Xians would find themselves singing a different tune. In some cases the RCC has clout here. The Bishops just lobbied to have the no payment for abortion put into the health care bill. Although many Catholics would disagree with their Bishops (like they do with birth contro)l,there are many stirred to vote with the Bishops desires. The RCC reps. seem to feel they need to follow the Bishops thinking! Some of the same people who agree with the bishops rant against higher taxes to pay for the care of the children once they are born. The conservatives I have heard, complain a lot about our national debt, but forget about the cost of raising a lot of children one cannot afford.They seem to forget the children need care and it costs a lot! The bishops still have them believing birth control(except what they call natural) is sinful. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/522 "2009-11-11T13:45:16Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Sorry to break it to you pal, but its _you_. I have very good religious friends. Heck, I suspect my wife of religious thoughts. I even talk to them about religion and make my views forcefully known. We’re still friends and I’m still married. And you give your location as Australia. Judging from your posts you have no real understanding about just how religious America is. Have you ever worried that one of those friends of yours would key your car if he so much as found out you were an atheist? Has your equivalent of a President ever said he doesn’t think that atheists deserve to be considered citizens? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/523 "2009-11-11T14:07:57Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > … Has your equivalent of a President ever said he doesn’t think that atheists deserve to be considered citizens? This is a new one to me – I’m guessing you’re referring to Bush. Have a cite for this? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/524 "2009-11-11T14:29:38Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > This is a new one to me – I’m guessing you’re referring to Bush. Have a cite for this? [Bush the Elder](http://bennyhills.fortunecity.com/hardy/203/nonbeliever/page50.html) ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/525 "2009-11-11T15:49:20Z")
> [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](#): > > Well, personally I try to be consistent on the internet and in real life. That may be fine for you, but is there anything unethical in reserving an anonymous message board for airing one’s more strident views? I’ll dip into political threads here, but I absolutely refuse to discuss politics when face to face with someone. It never leads anywhere productive and I prefer to avoid unnecessary confrontational situations, which are all too likely given the current state of politics. Here, anonymity and the fact that this board is primarily for entertainment make it easier to join in bullshit sessions. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/526 "2009-11-11T16:01:43Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > [Bush the Elder](http://bennyhills.fortunecity.com/hardy/203/nonbeliever/page50.html) What a shit weasel. I never liked him much, but I thought he was way up the ladder from his son. All I can say is, he’s slipped a bunch of rungs. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/527 "2009-11-11T16:26:48Z")
Don’t let him slip too many rungs - none of the regular reporters present recall him saying that. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/528 "2009-11-11T17:59:56Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I wonder if DRE Trihs isn’t feeling that Diests are bigoted towards him, or other Atheists, it could seem that way, I would think name calling either way could be thought of as bigotry. Perhaps. The only person over which any of us has any control is ourselves. If I don’t want to be thought of as a bigot, then I shouldn’t be acting like one. Besides, I don’t accept “But they did it first!” as a valid reason for his behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/529 "2009-11-11T19:17:36Z")
> [@Mapache](#): > > What you mean “we”, white man? > > Take a count of the people defending DT vs. those attacking, and add me on the defending side. I just wish I could express my disdain for religion in general as eloquently as DT, Boyo Jim, Brian, Gustav and the rest, but I can’t so I mostly lurk. > Besides, you Americans and Europeans live in places where Xians are somewhat restrained in their power-hunger by laws; try living, as I do,somewhere where the RCC has real political clout sometime and see what it’s like. I would wager that a lot of non-Catholic Xians would find themselves singing a different tune. Sounds like you have a problem with a particular institution. The evil atheist Soviets didn’t make atheism evil any more than the evil Catholic institutions in your country make religion evil. > [@DerTrihs](#): > > That’s silly. A person’s beliefs are a perfectly good reason to not respect them; those other reasons are not. Beliefs are central to what a person is. What reason would you accept for not respecting a person? > > And if your answer is that you should always respect a person, all that does is make respect valueless. The only reason to respect anyone is for what they do. Their belief system has nothing to do with it. If someone treats people (sometimes even their enemies) kindly, keeps promises, is trustworthy, and works hard, they’re worthy of respect. I don’t care if someone has the most ridiculously absurd belief system in the universe, if they do good things. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/530 "2009-11-11T19:22:20Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And you give your location as Australia. Judging from your posts you have no real understanding about just how religious America is. Have you ever worried that one of those friends of yours would key your car if he so much as found out you were an atheist? Has your equivalent of a President ever said he doesn’t think that atheists deserve to be considered citizens? Progress! In the past year or so, you’ve gone from “religious people would kill me if they knew I was an atheist” to “religious people would key my car if they found out i was an atheist.” Another year or so and that whole whiny-bitch victim complex will be cured! ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/531 "2009-11-11T19:33:59Z")
[QUOTE=Princhester] Further you go on about atheists being hated, but you have no evidence for it. [/QUOTE] _“A 2006 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in the United States found atheists to be the most distrusted of minorities, more so than Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians, and other groups. Many of the respondents associated atheism with immorality, including criminal behaviour, extreme materialism, and elitism.”_ [Cite.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism) “But we don’t really _hate_ you. As Christians we _love_ you, even though you’re immoral swine who don’t deserve any role in public life.” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/532 "2009-11-11T20:11:55Z")
I wouldn’t key his car. I’d just write the word “PRICK” on his windshield in lipstick. (I KNOW I saw that in some movie, but hell if I can remember it off hand) As for being moral even if I didn’t believe in a god, well duh, of course I would. Why wouldn’t I? Likewise, would **Der Trihs** still be a fuckstick if he were a theist? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/533 "2009-11-11T20:27:15Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I wouldn’t key his car. I’d just write the word “PRICK” on his windshield in lipstick. (I KNOW I saw that in some movie, but hell if I can remember it off hand) The irony. It burrrrns. > [@](#): > > _As for being moral even if I didn’t believe in a god, well duh, of course I would. Why wouldn’t I? Likewise, would **Der Trihs** still be a fuckstick if he were a theist?_ Have you bothered to read what you’ve been writing here, **Guin**? For if anyone seems to be frothing at the mouth with hate, it’s _you_. Of course, you’re in good company seeing any number of similar posts by God-fearing, salt of the earth Christians. “Practice what you preach” – yet more hypocritical religious bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/534 "2009-11-11T20:48:50Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > What a shit weasel. I never liked him much, but I thought he was way up the ladder from his son. All I can say is, he’s slipped a bunch of rungs. I’ve done a search of Lexis/Nexis and ProQuest, both of which are subscription databases of news content, and i haven’t been able to find a single reference to that incident anywhere. I guess it’s possible that every single major media outlet agreed to suppress the story that a Presidential candidate would deny citizenship to atheists, but it seems a little unlikely to me. ---
**Author:** ![Cumberdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@Cumberdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumberdale)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/535 "2009-11-11T22:27:03Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I’ve done a search of Lexis/Nexis and ProQuest, both of which are subscription databases of news content, and i haven’t been able to find a single reference to that incident anywhere. > > I guess it’s possible that every single major media outlet agreed to suppress the story that a Presidential candidate would deny citizenship to atheists, but it seems a little unlikely to me. That quote is very suspect and AFAIK has never been verified by anyone else. It’s hard for me to believe that a seasoned politician would say something so incredibly stupid, even it that is how he truly feels. And based on their record as president, of the Bushes, even if he did say that, I’d still take him over his son any day. ---
**Author:** ![Cumberdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@Cumberdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumberdale)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/536 "2009-11-11T22:37:15Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I wouldn’t key his car. I’d just write the word “PRICK” on his windshield in lipstick. (I KNOW I saw that in some movie, but hell if I can remember it off hand) > > As for being moral even if I didn’t believe in a god, well duh, of course I would. Why wouldn’t I? Likewise, would **Der Trihs** still be a fuckstick if he were a theist? Why is it assumed because someone is rather harsh on a message board, they act that way in real life? When the issue comes up with friends or family, I let them know what I think, but I do remain more diplomatic because I know it’s easier to get someone to change their mind if you remain cool, ask serious questions and recomment that they consider other views. Online, there is no personal relationship, so I’m more willing to say what I truly feel about religion because I don’t have to deal with these people on a daily basis. With people in the real world, a gentle approach is usually far more effective. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/537 "2009-11-11T23:07:15Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I’ve done a search of Lexis/Nexis and ProQuest, both of which are subscription databases of news content, and i haven’t been able to find a single reference to that incident anywhere. > > I guess it’s possible that every single major media outlet agreed to suppress the story that a Presidential candidate would deny citizenship to atheists, but it seems a little unlikely to me. Actually, I found MANY references to it Googling (in news archives) for **Bush Atheist Patriot** but all the refences from ‘mainstream’ newspapers are so old that you have pay to see the full article, which I’m not willing to do. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/538 "2009-11-11T23:17:02Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > The irony. It burrrrns. > > Have you bothered to read what you’ve been writing here, **Guin**? For if anyone seems to be frothing at the mouth with hate, it’s _you_. It’s called sarcasm, dumbass. > [@](#): > > Of course, you’re in good company seeing any number of similar posts by God-fearing, salt of the earth Christians. > > “Practice what you preach” – yet more hypocritical religious bullshit. I never said I was a Christian – just a theist. And being ethical doesn’t mean being a doormat and not calling people on it when they’re acting like jackasses. **Cumberdale** – again, I’m sick of the whole, “well, so and so is really nice in REAL life!” (Which, I didn’t mention in the first place, just counter the argument that, would someone act the same way whatever their religious beliefs?) It’s not “real life” here. So all I have to go on is what I see here. And what I see is some guy who’s a dick. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/539 "2009-11-11T23:26:33Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Actually, I found MANY references to it Googling (in news archives) for **Bush Atheist Patriot** but all the refences from ‘mainstream’ newspapers are so old that you have pay to see the full article, which I’m not willing to do. Maybe my Google-fu has deserted me, but in Googling those terms, i haven’t found one that leads back to a reputable news source. If you can point me to some of the links you found, or give me some names of the papers, and some dates, of your references, i’ll look them up. I have access to Lexis/Nexis and ProQuest, and if there was an article, i should be able to find it. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150/540 "2009-11-12T00:00:24Z")
Ah, what constitutes ‘reputable’? http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=Bush+Atheist+patriot&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&ned=us&btnG=Search+Archives"]Ok, does this work? [Pittsburg Post Gazette](http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=PG&p_theme=pg&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0F525800CA99F52D&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM), [Virginia Pilot](http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=PG&p_theme=pg&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0F525800CA99F52D&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM), [Orlando Sentinel](http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/orlandosentinel/access/90136052.html?dids=90136052:90136052&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Apr+06%2C+1990&author=Donald+Kaul%2C+Tribune+Media+Services&pub=Orlando+Sentinel&desc=IF+FREEDOM+SPEAKS+WITH+1+VOICE%2C+IT'S+SURELY+NOT+VOICE+OF+TV+MARTI&pqatl=google) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/der-trihs/516150.md?page=28)