# Derek Jeter backing Jorge Posada **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 16, 2011, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145 "2011-05-16T22:08:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/41 "2011-05-17T18:44:30Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > **YogSouth** -I agree good ideas don’t need to be explicitly solicited, BUT employees (and Jeter, like it or not, IS an employee) shouldn’t have a say in their co-worker’s future As has been said numerous times, he didn’t. His stated opinion didn’t change a goddamn thing. So stop repeating something that’s flat out wrong. > [@](#): > > **Munch** -I concede I’m using “insubordiante” colloquially, not in its strictest definition. However, I can’t think of another word that adequately describes Jeter’s actions. How about “acting in his capacity as team Captain”? Or “expressing his opinion just like 95% of this country’s workforce is allowed to do”? ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/42 "2011-05-17T18:57:42Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > …it’s possible Posada said something more like ‘then screw you, I’d rather not play for you than hit ninth.’ The importance of batting order position is vastly overblown by most people in and around baseball. The difference between being _in_ the lineup and _not_ in the lineup, that’s the one to worry about. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/43 "2011-05-17T19:03:08Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > The importance of batting order position is vastly overblown by most people in and around baseball. The difference between being _in_ the lineup and _not_ in the lineup, that’s the one to worry about. True. And anyway there’s no particular reason for Posada to be in the lineup at this point. He’s the DH and he’s hitting .165. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/44 "2011-05-17T19:29:03Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > True. And anyway there’s no particular reason for Posada to be in the lineup at this point. He’s the DH and he’s hitting .165. correct. National League pitchers routinely do as well. And they do not take up an additional spot on the roster. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/45 "2011-05-17T20:05:24Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > **furt** -OF COURSE that was insubordinate! He didn’t ASK for your opinion, and it’s NOT in your job description to hire/fire/promote people! Hmmm. Good thing our Vice-President does not define insubordination the bizarre way you do. She thanked me for my input, even though they never asked for it. It now appears they are about to take my advice. Most employees worth a damn won’t want to work in a place run along the lines you suggest, and if they did they’d be enormously demotivated. Demotivated workers produce less. Competent managers know how to deal with employees giving pushback. It’s one of the foundational skills in any kind of leadership. You are aware that Michael Scott is an example of a _bad_ boss, right? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/46 "2011-05-17T20:24:19Z")
Here’s what Jeter said: > [@](#): > > “My reaction was that I didn’t think it was that big a deal,” Jeter said about the Posada incident. "If you need a day, you need a day. > > “It’s over. It’s done,” Jeter said. "It’s not the first time a player asked out of a lineup. Joe says if you feel like you need a day, let him know. It’s understandable. > > “I need a day right now,” he joked. He did admit that he didn’t have all the facts at this time. Apparently, management was not happy and held a conference call with Jeter. > [@](#): > > It appears, at least, that they’ve already extinguished this particular fire: Jeter said he had a conference call with Hal Steinbrenner, Randy Levine, and Brian Cashman today — the call wasn’t his idea — and told reporters, “We are all on the same page.” While the notion that this is insubordination is absurd (and that is being kind), shoddy reporting (and 99% of sports reporting is shoddy, and that’s excluding sports talk shows) could give the _appearance_ that Jeter was criticizing management. Given that his every word gets scrutinized for meaning (one of the reasons he says so little), he should be careful what he says to the media. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/47 "2011-05-17T20:32:18Z")
[quote=“D\_Odds, post:46, topic:582145”] Here’s what Jeter said: **He did admit that he didn’t have all the facts at this time.** Apparently, management was not happy and held a conference call with Jeter. QUOTE] Which is why he should have KEPT HIS MOUTH SHUT! :rolleyes: He’s DAMN LUCKY he wasn’t thrown out on his ass! In the real world, this is what would/should happen! ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/48 "2011-05-17T20:33:52Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > And anyway there’s no particular reason for Posada to be in the lineup at this point. And yet Girardi was still writing him in, as a gesture of faith and support and appreciation for his history with the team. We might even see it as an effort to allow Posada to end his career on a more graceful note–electing to retire while still technically a regular player (in the last year of his contract). This gesture has an on-field cost for the team. The Yankees _could_ cut Posada from the roster, eat the salary, and call up [Jesus Montero](http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=monter001jes), for example. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/49 "2011-05-17T20:34:54Z")
Etv mad! Etv smash!! ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/50 "2011-05-17T20:37:55Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > In the real world, this is what would/should happen! No, in the real world what would happen is management - if they thought it was inappropriate - would have called him into the office or had him on a conference call to tell him that wasn’t appropriate. Which is exactly what happened. Again - you have no actual experience with how this works in the real world. The people in this thread are confirming that with actual, real world examples that completely refute what you’re suggesting. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/51 "2011-05-17T20:48:30Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > No, in the real world what would happen is management - if they thought it was inappropriate - would have called him into the office or had him on a conference call to tell him that wasn’t appropriate. Which is exactly what happened. > > Again - you have no actual experience with how this works in the real world. The people in this thread are confirming that with actual, real world examples that completely refute what you’re suggesting. He should just be happy the Yankees got swept by the BoSox at Yankee Stadium this weekend. Instead, in true AM-talk radio rabid fan style\*, **etv78** is attempting to manufacture outrage where there is none. If anyone was insubordinate it was Posada, and nothing is happening to him either. Well, nothing other than batting 9th and sitting more often, but I could hit .165 in the bigs. Or maybe **etv78** works for Darth Vader, where any slight, imagined or otherwise, is met with a force choke and instant promotions for everyone below. \*These are the fans that are akin to the birthers in politics or the moon landing hoax conspiracy theorists. Every team has them, but add a rivalry in there and they really come out, spittle flying everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/52 "2011-05-17T20:52:09Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > And yet Girardi was still writing him in, as a gesture of faith and support and appreciation for his history with the team. We might even see it as an effort to allow Posada to end his career on a more graceful note–electing to retire while still technically a regular player (in the last year of his contract). This gesture has an on-field cost for the team. > > The Yankees _could_ cut Posada from the roster, eat the salary, and call up [Jesus Montero](http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=monter001jes), for example. Which shows Girardi cares more about his players liking him than, you know, WINNING games! If George were alive, he wouldn’t tolerate this. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/53 "2011-05-17T20:54:08Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > He’s DAMN LUCKY he wasn’t thrown out on his ass! In the real world, this is what would/should happen! You really think a club is going to get out of tens of millions of dollars of guaranteed contract money and release one of the most popular players in the history of the franchise because he said he didn’t think something was a big deal? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/54 "2011-05-17T20:54:30Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > Which shows Girardi cares more about his players liking him than, you know, WINNING games! If George were alive, he wouldn’t tolerate this. Managers have very little input in calling players up, especially before their clock starts. What you’re advocating is EXACTLY what you’re bitching about Jeter doing (i.e. sharing an actual opinion with management). ---
**Author:** ![Tanbarkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@Tanbarkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanbarkie)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/55 "2011-05-17T21:23:23Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > Which shows Girardi cares more about his players liking him than, you know, WINNING games! If George were alive, he wouldn’t tolerate this. My God. You must really hate Terry Francona. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/56 "2011-05-17T21:25:15Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Managers have very little input in calling players up, especially before their clock starts. Right. If it wasn’t clear, when I said “the Yankees” and even “Girardi” above, I really meant the whole of Yankees management. But I expect Junior and Cashman are more concerned with player and fan perceptions right now than with the matter of starting the clock on Montero, which will presumably happen in September if not sooner. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/57 "2011-05-17T21:40:28Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > He should just be happy the Yankees got swept by the BoSox at Yankee Stadium this weekend. Instead, in true AM-talk radio rabid fan style\*, **etv78** is attempting to manufacture outrage where there is none. If anyone was insubordinate it was Posada, and nothing is happening to him either. Well, nothing other than batting 9th and sitting more often, but I could hit .165 in the bigs. > > Or maybe **etv78** works for Darth Vader, where any slight, imagined or otherwise, is met with a force choke and instant promotions for everyone below. > > ] 1st-I AGREE what Posada did is 10X worse! BTW, **D\_Odds** , {Darth Vader voice} “I am your father.” ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/58 "2011-05-17T21:42:31Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > 1st-I AGREE what Posada did is 10X worse! I’m confused. You think it’s zero bad? 10 \* 0 = 0. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/59 "2011-05-17T21:43:19Z")
The manager should send him down to the minors to work on his hitting. He is 100 points under his average and all other stats are down. He is hurting the team. Ordonez is having a year like that . The Tigers put him on the 15 day DL . He was hurting the team. When he “recovers” .I am sure he will work his problems out in the minors. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145/60 "2011-05-17T22:05:13Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > I’m confused. You think it’s zero bad? 10 \* 0 = 0. I should’ve written 10x. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/derek-jeter-backing-jorge-posada/582145.md?page=4)