# DeSantis can't win the GOP nomination or the general election in 2024 {How Trump plays into this is allowed} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 23, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249 "2023-02-23T18:07:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/241 "2023-03-01T22:29:01Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > DeSantis was described as a “tyrant” by some Trump supporters recently, after they weren’t allowed in at a DeSantis book signing. This is going to hurt him more than the Disney thing, which some people believed actually helps Disney if anything. Now Trump supporters are going to be showing up at all his events. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/242 "2023-03-02T00:38:50Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > This is going to hurt him more than the Disney thing, which some people believed actually helps Disney if anything. Now Trump supporters are going to be showing up at all his events. Yeah, it’s gonna be like football hooligans going at it. Popcorn or hot dog?! ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/243 "2023-03-03T13:12:55Z")
If Disney really wanted to work against DeSantis, then I think their only option is to try to help flip the state blue in the general. Because, I don’t see a non-MAGA candidate winning the primary. And who, on the MAGA side, is ever going to let up on Disney? Disney has to continue to be “woke” (where “woke” means anything that treats people fairly and doesn’t include explicit conservative political messages). Has Trump made a statement that I am unaware of? ETA: Actually, maybe Meatball winning the white house could be seen as good for Disney? Because potentially a more reasonable governor might take the reins in Florida. ---
**Author:** ![nicky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f0a364/32.png) [@nicky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nicky)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/244 "2023-03-03T13:29:24Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > Disney executives care more about their bottom line than their pride. If DeSantis is the nominee, they will quietly back him as the candidate more likely to serve their business interests through cuts the corporate tax rate, deregulation, etc. You are assuming that de santis is a shill for big business who chucks culture war bones to the maga nutters for votes. What if he is really sincerely a quasi fascist loon who will chuck a few economic bones at business for funding? Eg Look at him trying to screw the cruise lines over passenger vaccinations. A move that made no rational capitalist swine sense. Surely the danger for Disney is an escalating culture war that means that they have to choose which half of the USA to sell to. A few dollars in tax and regulations saved Is chickenshit compared to losing half the US market. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/245 "2023-03-03T14:03:37Z")
It’s early yet, but the capitalists sure seem to be opening their checkbooks for him: > **[DeSantis gets 7-figure checks from top GOP donors as he soft launches...](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/22/politics/ron-desantis-donors/index.html)** > > As Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis intensifies his preparation for a White House bid, several of the wealthiest and most prolific Republican donors are already giving him a major financial boost. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/246 "2023-03-03T20:11:15Z")
Disney could threaten to move all of their parks out of Florida. If the Red-Blue Cold Civil War continues, we could see more self-sorting not only of individuals but also corporations. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/247 "2023-03-03T20:18:26Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Disney could threaten to move all of their parks out of Florida. I think it’d be a hollow threat. WDW is an absolutely massive complex, with over 50 years of infrastructure and development in place. Even if Disney were to actually be serious about relocating WDW out of Florida, it would take many years, and many billions of dollars. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/248 "2023-03-03T21:03:57Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > I think it’d be a hollow threat. > > WDW is an absolutely massive complex, with over 50 years of infrastructure and development in place. Even if Disney were to actually be serious about relocating WDW out of Florida, it would take many years, and many billions of dollars. It could be done in bits and pieces, including threatening not to build new stuff there. Ultimately, Disney is worth more to the state than DeSantis is. They have a lot of leverage. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/249 "2023-03-03T21:49:33Z")
I don’t think moving Disney in pieces is even on the table. As mentioned, it would take years to get another, similar set of parks up and profitable somewhere else. Maybe even decades. And then you never know how the winds of change will blow, so that new place could end-up having a fascist-leaning governor with a chip on his/her shoulder at some point. Disney knows they are in a bit of a sitch right now, but it’s probably smarter strategically and economically to just keep their heads down and weather the storm where they are. Governors come and go - Disney’s world will be there much longer. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/250 "2023-03-03T22:12:57Z")
Basically agree, but I don’t think they are going to “keep their head down.” It’s a powerful corporation and will do all kinds of things to get what it wants. There are many ways it can wage war against the GOP nutters. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/251 "2023-03-03T22:18:34Z")
Funny quote from a kos article: > **[Florida tries to quash dissent, but DeSantis isn't Hitler](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/3/3/2156014/-Florida-tries-to-quash-dissent-but-DeSantis-isn-t-Hitler)** > > As other Kossacks have noted, Florida state senator Jason Brodeur has introduced a bill that would require bloggers and other non-newspaper writers who mention Gov. Ron DeSantis and other politicians to register and disclose any payments. Here’s... > [@](#): > > Today’s GOP is about reveling in hate and making others suffer. Hitler was a mesmerizing speaker, but compared to Trump DeSantis is Albert Speer – a petty functionary, an evil apparatchik. If he has the nerve to run in 2024, I think Trump will eat him alive. Yup. ---
**Author:** ![EastUmpqua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eastumpqua/32/6025_2.png) [@EastUmpqua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EastUmpqua)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/252 "2023-03-03T22:30:04Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Today’s GOP is about reveling in hate and making others suffer. Hitler was a mesmerizing speaker, but compared to Trump DeSantis is Albert Speer – a petty functionary, an evil apparatchik. I get why it’s easier for people to understand good versus evil. I think it’s disrespectful to the victims of [The Holocaust](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust) to compare the GOP to Hitler. This kind of rhetoric isn’t helpful. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/253 "2023-03-03T22:35:19Z")
I think it is disrespectful to victims of the Holocaust for the GOP to be fascists, and to be cozy with neo-Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![EastUmpqua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eastumpqua/32/6025_2.png) [@EastUmpqua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EastUmpqua)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/254 "2023-03-03T22:40:43Z")
I think it would be disrespectful to the victims of the Holocaust if the GOP murdered millions of people. Trump used the fringe racists for votes, and you’re right, that is disrespectful. To everyone. Please note that not all conservatives are “Trumpers”. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/255 "2023-03-03T23:08:46Z")
> [@EastUmpqua](#): > > I get why it’s easier for people to understand good versus evil. I think it’s disrespectful to the victims of [The Holocaust](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust) to compare the GOP to Hitler. This kind of rhetoric isn’t helpful. It’s totally appropriate because the GOP have actually been operating like Nazis and using fascist social technologies to foment hate among their base and win votes. And _Trump actually tried to remain in power via a coup!_ It’s not just rhetoric any more. It’s been reality since 2016. Further, there are many lessons to learn from the Nazis. The Holocaust is arguably the worst thing they did; it was certainly one of the greatest and most gratuitous evils in human history. I think Operation Barbarossa, however, is a close No. 2 (and was a big part of what made the Holocaust possible at the scale it happened), and now Putin is doing a repeat in the opposite direction of the compass. Another very important lesson is how Hitler slowly and methodically took power; how he generated and sustained support and won elections. How he used hate to motivate. How he consolidated power once he became chancellor. When I personally compare the GOP to Hitler, I am focused more on this more than anything else. I am not worried about the GOP committing genocide. Not yet. Finally, I think it’s ironic to say we can’t compare people to the Nazis precisely because the Nazis were as evil as they were. While I agree that superficial or incorrect comparisons are to be shot down, part of “never forget,” in my opinion, is making the comparison where apt and working to prevent it from happening again. ---
**Author:** ![EastUmpqua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eastumpqua/32/6025_2.png) [@EastUmpqua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EastUmpqua)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/256 "2023-03-03T23:22:49Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > While I agree that superficial or incorrect comparisons are to be shot down, part of “never forget,” in my opinion, is making the comparison where apt and working to prevent it from happening again. I could not agree more with that statement. I kinda like Vivek Ramaswamy. But this graphic scares me: > **[2024 Republican Primary Polls | Morning Consult](https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-gop-primary-election-tracker)** > > Trump leads Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis by 53 percentage points among potential GOP primary voters, 66% to 13%, just shy of his record advantage. ---
**Author:** ![medstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@medstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medstar)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/257 "2023-03-03T23:40:16Z")
How would Florida compel out of state bloggers to comply with their laws? ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/258 "2023-03-03T23:58:42Z")
Anyone voting Republican is de facto voting for at least a proto-fascist party. And it isn’t even being hidden anymore. So it doesn’t really matter if they’re formally “Trumpists” or not. What matters who is whether they’re standing with the Party of Evil or not. ---
**Author:** ![EastUmpqua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eastumpqua/32/6025_2.png) [@EastUmpqua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EastUmpqua)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2023, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/259 "2023-03-04T00:01:37Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > Party of Evil Ok. Good versus evil. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2023, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/260 "2023-03-04T00:03:03Z")
How about, “party of actions that lead to evil outcomes”? If “party of evil” seems too broad. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249.md?page=14)