# DeSantis can't win the GOP nomination or the general election in 2024 {How Trump plays into this is allowed} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 23, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249 "2023-02-23T18:07:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/601 "2023-04-24T17:05:14Z")
> [@Hippy\_Hollow](#): > > I always thought Howard Dean, who was a serious candidate, caught on a hot mike yelling, got a raw deal. In the context of what took place it was totally normal (it was a loud hall and he probably sounded totally fine). Poor guy. Right. That’s an example of someone doing absolutely nothing wrong or even that mockable getting destroyed… and yet Trump is somehow permitted to spend year after year saying and doing the most outrageous and genuinely evil things?! > [@](#): > > In the sense of “this will be looped and mocked relentlessly” yes this is a Howard Dean moment for Meatball Ron. Yeah, and the thing is, this moment shows his real character and demeanor. It’s not some outlier. > [@](#): > > It looked exactly like what an SNL cast member (Mikey Day?) would do if they were imitating him during a skit… only it’s _way_ over the top. I couldn’t believe my eyes, literally. I thought it was some type of altered footage. His expression goes _so_ goofy and _so_ extreme in just an instant. It’s bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/602 "2023-04-24T17:13:50Z")
Watching it with the sound off is even funnier. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/603 "2023-04-24T18:11:51Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Right. That’s an example of someone doing absolutely nothing wrong or even that mockable getting destroyed… and yet Trump is somehow permitted to spend year after year saying and doing the most outrageous and genuinely evil things?! The difference in normalization of deviance between Jan 2004 when Dean was imploded and mid-2015 when Trump became a real factor in R politics is far far greater than the mere 11 years’ time might suggest. Much less the additional 8 years since 2015. We live in a very different world now. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/604 "2023-04-24T18:23:28Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > We live in a very different world now. Right. In 2006, George Allen, a Republican, got shot down for calling someone the obscure (to most Americans) racial slur “macaca”: > **[Macaca (term) | 2006 George Allen incident](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaca_(term)#2006_George_Allen_incident)** > > The failed re-election campaign of Republican U.S. Senator George Allen of Virginia generated much controversy after he used the word macaca in reference to a person of Indian ancestry. On 11 August 2006, at a campaign stop in Breaks, Virginia, near the Kentucky border, George Allen twice used the word macaca to refer to S. R. Sidarth, who was filming the event as a "tracker" for the opposing Jim Webb campaign. I mean, all Trump has ever _said_ are things worse than that. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/605 "2023-04-24T18:35:31Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > which would rather emphatically put a torpedo in the side of Trump’s plans You’re assuming he has a plan beyond “I want to be President again”. Certainly some of the people around him have things they want to accomplish, but Trump in way ever gave a crap about who was going to be a judge (at any level) beyond the adulation appointing certain folks got him. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/606 "2023-04-25T23:14:12Z")
A summary of bad press regarding DeSantis’s World Bobblehead Tour: > **[Sayonara, Ron: Did DeSantis destroy his presidential chances on first day of...](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/4/25/2165714/-Sayonara-Ron-Did-bobblehead-DeSantis-commit-political-hari-kiri-on-1st-day-of-his-visit-to-Japan)** > > Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis kicked off a four-nation “trade mission” on Monday meant to bolster his foreign policy credentials ahead of his expected challenge to Donald Trump for the Republican presidential nomination. But the first day of his... ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/607 "2023-04-26T00:35:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Did DeSantis destroy his presidential chances on first day of his visit to Japan? Easy answer. No. It will be soon forgotten. His low chance of being nominated remains unchanged. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/608 "2023-04-26T00:38:21Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > You’re assuming he has a plan beyond “I want to be President again”. He’s likely planning a self-pardon. Not relevant to state charges? That’s how I would vote if on the Supreme Court, but I’m not. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/609 "2023-04-26T19:22:36Z")
Oh dear. The Mouse Strikes Back: > **[Disney sues DeSantis ‘within minutes’ of his latest act of retaliation](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/4/26/2166026/-Disney-files-suit-against-DeSantis-Mickey-Mouse-operation)** > > Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has really done it now. The Walt Disney Company has had enough of the Republican's drive to do real business damage against the global megacorporation for the sake of his fading presidential ambitions, and they're taking... ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/610 "2023-04-26T20:04:42Z")
In a country with an honest court system this would be lights out for Little Ronnie. In the USA in 2023/2024, I’m not so sure. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/611 "2023-04-26T20:12:19Z")
If I was trying to defend DeSantis here, which I am not. I would likely make the argument that Disney’s recent actions have brought a situation to the attention of the State Government that needs to be addressed by the legislature. It’s purely coincidental that Disney opposed certain aspects of the State’s legislative agenda at the same time. The State Government is required to act in the interests of all Floridians, not just the large corporations. I’m not sure I could make the argument with a straight face, but I’m not a lawyer. A conservative leaning judge would quite likely buy such an argument. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/612 "2023-04-26T21:17:38Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > In a country with an honest court system this would be lights out for Little Ronnie. This probably isn’t your point, but if he loses, he didn’t lose. Or, if he did lose, every Florida taxpayer with roughly his same tax status will have lost just as much as he did. As for what DeSantis’s defense should be, I don’t know the law, but, morally, I would say – soverign immunity. Making believe that the government was punished, when it was really the taxpayers who were punished, does not impress me. Now, if Disney can win a personal lawsuit against DeSantis, and take most of his savings, I’m for that. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/613 "2023-04-27T00:19:14Z")
Wulp, Ronnie still thinks he has a chance. > **[Ron DeSantis to launch 2024 presidential exploratory committee next month:...](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ron-desantis-to-launch-2024-presidential-exploratory-committee-next-month-report/ar-AA1aozSu)** > > Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to launch a 2024 presidential exploratory committee next month, according to a report by NBC News. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/614 "2023-04-27T01:15:17Z")
An exploratory committee is short of a candidacy. Which is really his Rubicon because then once he declared he has to resign from the Governorship early. As a Floridian myself I know nothing of FL’s gubernatorial succession rules. Nor do I know who the heir apparent is. It’s certainly possible his replacement would be worse for FL. The fact that’s potentially true is a ghastly comment on FL RW politics, but can’t be ruled out. But in general, I think Ronnie declaring then getting his ass handed to him early in the primaries is probably locally optimal for FL. And also globally optimal for the USA, at least unless Trump gets the nomination as a result. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/615 "2023-04-27T11:43:20Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > An exploratory committee is short of a candidacy. Which is really his Rubicon because then once he declared he has to resign from the Governorship early. I’m genuinely surprised that they haven’t shoved through a law allowing him to stay as Gov while running. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/616 "2023-04-27T11:56:04Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I’m genuinely surprised that they haven’t shoved through a law allowing him to stay as Gov while running. It’s on its way. > **[Florida lawmakers file amendment so DeSantis wouldn’t have to resign to run...](https://www.wfla.com/8-on-your-side/florida-lawmakers-file-amendment-so-desantis-wouldnt-have-to-resign-to-run-in-2024/amp/)** > > The race for 2024 is heating up. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/617 "2023-04-27T12:24:23Z")
The exploratory committee will blaze throught the wilderness like Lewis and Clark and return with the finding that yes, everybody wants DeSantis to run for president. Seriously, how many candidates have failed to run after forming exploratory committees? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/618 "2023-04-27T12:35:54Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The exploratory committee will blaze through the wilderness like Lewis and Clark and return with the finding that yes, everybody wants DeSantis to run for president. African-American man and dog (DeSantis doesn’t strike me as a pet person) not included. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/619 "2023-04-27T15:08:58Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > It’s on its way. YEAH! Run, Ron-chan, RUN!!! ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249/620 "2023-04-27T19:42:07Z")
I wonder if Trump feels at all motivated to try to out-Ron Ron? If, to get attention and primary votes, he starts promising to bring the full weight of the federal government against “woke” corporations, maybe (in my fantasies) praising the Texas judge who allowed the FDA suit and promising more of that. Big money would be fleeing the Republican presidential race faster than you can say “bank run.” Even Sanders would have a shot then. After all, the smart thing to do would be to sit back and let DeSantis implode, so Trump’s definitely not going to do that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/desantis-cant-win-the-gop-nomination-or-the-general-election-in-2024-how-trump-plays-into-this-is-allowed/980249.md?page=32)