# Despicable: McCain & child sexual predators **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 10, 2008, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887 "2008-09-10T01:59:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/1 "2008-09-10T01:59:39Z")
[Apparently](http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/09/politics/horserace/entry4433099.shtml), McCain doesn’t think children should be taught how to protect themselves against sexual predators. In his new campaign ad, he attacks Obama for supporting legislation to provide information to kindergartners on how to avoid inappropriate attention or touches. McCain is a douchebag. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/2 "2008-09-10T03:24:38Z")
Just going to the original bill here - and while it is hard to tell at first reading, it seems to cover more than the narrow purpose Obama’s spokesperson contends. I’ll just see where this one goes. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/3 "2008-09-10T03:29:19Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > Just going to the original bill here - and while it is hard to tell at first reading, it seems to cover more than the narrow purpose Obama’s spokesperson contends. > > I’ll just see where this one goes. Really? What do you think it does cover, **Mr. Moto**? And, will you really see where it goes? What if it goes to suggest that McCain has horridly and despicably misrepresented the bill? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/4 "2008-09-10T03:33:10Z")
Coming in to say that’s a creepy fucking ad and certainly seems to make some really disgusting insinuations. I think I’ve heard of this legislation, though: to my recollection it started in kindergarten with, as stated, advising children on what to do if somone touched them in a funny way and extending on as children gained awareness and hormones. But I could be wrong. This could be funding for sending six year olds to Tijuana donkey shows. It just seems really unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/5 "2008-09-10T03:35:25Z")
See, being the reactionary I am, I smell racism. McCain’s people are subtly (OK, not so subtly) raising the specter of the sexually dangerous black man and his threat to our white daughters. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/6 "2008-09-10T03:40:44Z")
> [@C3](#): > > McCain is a douchebag. This. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/7 "2008-09-10T03:44:39Z")
**Mr. Moto** , I’m not sure I’m looking at the right bill. Are they talking about SB 2267? The synopsis for that one is below: > [@Bill Status of SB2267 94th General Assembly](#): > > Synopsis As Introduced > Creates the Age-appropriate Sex Education Grant Program Act. Subject to appropriation, requires the Department of Human Services to develop and administer a program of grants for programs of age-appropriate sex education. Provides that eligible grant applicants include (i) public school districts, (ii) State-certified local health departments, (iii) community based organizations, (iv) religious entities, and (v) consortiums or partnerships of school districts and community based organizations. Sets forth requirements for age-appropriate sex education programs and for applications to receive grants. Requires eligible applicants that have received grants under the Act to file an annual report with the Department and requires the Department to submit an annual report to the Governor and the General Assembly. Permits grants for curriculum development and innovative programming. Requires the Department to notify potential applicants at least 90 days prior to the application deadline. Requires the Department to promulgate rules reasonably necessary to implement and administer the Act. Effective immediately. Not that this is really all that important. It’s a sex ed bill. From the bill itself: > [@SB 2267](#): > > a dedicated mission to provide targeted at-risk adolescents with a more concentrated sex education program with a significant parental component Oh noes, parents getting involved in teaching their kids about sex? It also stresses abstinence while giving information on contraception, but that’s unsurprising as I don’t know of a sex ed program that doesn’t stress abstinence as the safest sex around. Nothing in the bill about kindergarteners, either, so I’m not sure if I’m looking at the right thing. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/8 "2008-09-10T03:45:44Z")
Seriously, can’t we just have ONE “Why I think McCain is a douche bag” thread so that folks can express their outrage over every. single. piece of propaganda they read without clogging up the Pit? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/9 "2008-09-10T04:14:35Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > Seriously, can’t we just have ONE “Why I think McCain is a douche bag” thread so that folks can express their outrage over every. single. piece of propaganda they read without clogging up the Pit? Well, it would be easier if he would do all his lying and douchebaggery in one place. But no, McCain has to lie in ads, and in speeches, and douchebag it up in VP vetting, and noun-verb-POWing, and so forth and so on. If you want to blame someone for the variety and volume of these things, it’s McCain you have a beef with. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/10 "2008-09-10T04:15:00Z")
> [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](#): > > **Mr. Moto** , I’m not sure I’m looking at the right bill. Are they talking about SB 2267? > > The synopsis for that one is below: > > Not that this is really all that important. It’s a sex ed bill. > > From the bill itself: > > Oh noes, parents getting involved in teaching their kids about sex? > > It also stresses abstinence while giving information on contraception, but that’s unsurprising as I don’t know of a sex ed program that doesn’t stress abstinence as the safest sex around. > > Nothing in the bill about kindergarteners, either, so I’m not sure if I’m looking at the right thing. That ain’t the one. The small print in the ad references committee reports on Illinois Senate Bill 99. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/11 "2008-09-10T04:20:45Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > Just going to the original bill here - and while it is hard to tell at first reading, it seems to cover more than the narrow purpose Obama’s spokesperson contends. Not for kindergartners it doesn’t. The key words in the bill are “age appropriate.” All that was intended for kindergartners was “good touch/bad touch” and stranger danger discussions. The allegation in the mcCain ad that Obama supported “comprehensive sex education in kindergarten” is a flat lie, and yet one more dishonorable act by a once honorable man. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/12 "2008-09-10T04:21:48Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > Seriously, can’t we just have ONE “Why I think McCain is a douche bag” thread so that folks can express their outrage over every. single. piece of propaganda they read without clogging up the Pit? Unless Mccain dies or, you know, stops being a douche bag, the pit is going to be Mccain central for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/13 "2008-09-10T04:42:11Z")
[Here is the full text of the bill](http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=3&GA=93&DocTypeId=SB&DocNum=99&GAID=3&LegID=734&SpecSess=&Session=) The bill specifies “age appropriate” content throught, and includes an opt-out if the parents object. Even the [Fox News](http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/09/mccain-obama-wanted-condoms-for-five-year-olds/) site is calling bullshit on the McCain ad: > [@](#): > > While the new TV spot leads most voters to believe that Obama supports teaching five year olds about the birds and the bees the legislation, which never passed by the full state senate, called for an “age appropriate” curriculum intended to teach young children how to avoid predators and pedophiles. The bill was supported by a number of prominent state health advocates and also allowed communities and families to opt out if they were not comfortable with the curriculum. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/14 "2008-09-10T04:47:43Z")
I agree with the OP on this one. It’s despicable. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/15 "2008-09-10T04:49:41Z")
Of course I reserve the right to change my mind if we get miraculous new information that suddenly proves Obama wanted to distribute condoms to the kindergartners, or somesuch. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/16 "2008-09-10T04:53:39Z")
Beat me, Dio! So let me just say that for the McCain campaign to level this filthy an ad against the father of two young girls is disgusting, horrifying, and orders of magnitude nastier than the Bush lie that McCain fathered a half black baby outside his marriage. Nice to know that McCain learned the real lesson of that sort of campaigning–that there are a lot of stupid, disgusting, nasty, low minded shitheads out there that will listen to it. Fuck you, McCain, and your filth–I hope you choke on it. I hope you get dipped into a vat of it way past your nostrils until you can no longer keep yourself afloat in the muck and you sink in it forever. I hope it takes five and a half years of flailing in your own filth to finish the job. Oh, and anybody who defends this shit? I hope you’re in there with him so he’ll have someone to climb on with his $500 shoes as he tries to get out. This is foul. Even for Republicans this is foul. Wonder how they’d like the rebuttal ad: John McCain wants to make sure your children don’t know how to protect themselves from pedophiles. McCain wants to make sure child molesters can have their way without being challenged. McCain approves of molesting children. Lucky for McCain the Democrats have some class, along with a gag reflex. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/17 "2008-09-10T04:55:30Z")
The age-appropriate provisions were added by a floor amendment after the bill had passed committee. The committee was chaired by Obama. [Link to floor amendment.](http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09300SB0099sam001&GA=93&SessionId=3&DocTypeId=SB&LegID=734&DocNum=99&GAID=3&Session=) [Link to committee.](http://www.ilga.gov/senate/committees/members.asp?GA=93&committeeID=85) Now the world doesn’t turn on this for me. But I think there was a bit more to this than Obama let on. Even if it isn’t dotting the i’s - that can be pointed out. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/18 "2008-09-10T04:59:08Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > The age-appropriate provisions were added by a floor amendment after the bill had passed committee. The committee was chaired by Obama. > > [Link to floor amendment.](http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09300SB0099sam001&GA=93&SessionId=3&DocTypeId=SB&LegID=734&DocNum=99&GAID=3&Session=) > > [Link to committee.](http://www.ilga.gov/senate/committees/members.asp?GA=93&committeeID=85) > > Now the world doesn’t turn on this for me. But I think there was a bit more to this than Obama let on. Even if it isn’t dotting the i’s - that can be pointed out. That’s how sausage gets made, **Moto**. A bill that get passed a comittee is not a bill that has been passed. Unless yoiu can actually come up with some evidence that Obama wanted to pass out condoms in kindergartens, why don’t you go fuck yourself. ETA your fucking links don’t even say how Obama voted in committee. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/19 "2008-09-10T05:05:09Z")
Yep, I’ve got to agree with the OP. Despicable. That’s two unfair slams in one day for Obama. This is not his week. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/20 "2008-09-10T05:17:35Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > The age-appropriate provisions were added by a floor amendment after the bill had passed committee. The committee was chaired by Obama. I’ll give you some of that, but I’ve been in committees dickering over legal wording in a document and really, the worst that can be said here is that the committee did not bother to include the words “age appropriate”. This does not pass the Reasonable Person test. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887.md?page=2)