# Despicable: McCain & child sexual predators **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 10, 2008, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887 "2008-09-10T01:59:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/41 "2008-09-10T07:28:17Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Yeah, but you’re going to vote for him now, because of how rude you think Obama’s _supporters_ have been, in calling out his cynically political and deeply offensive pick for a vice president. > > You’d rather subject the rest of us to having a dishonorable prick like him running our country, than for yourself have to put up with people being mean to someone you don’t even know on a message board. Boo fucking hoo and fuck you, you jerk. I’m going to vote for McCain, as I explained already, because I believe McCain will appoint textualist judges to the federal bench, support the Second Amendment, and not raise the tax rates I pay. I was considering voting for Obama IN SPITE of the fact that I didn’t agree with Obama on any of those issues, out of mistaken belief that Obama’s candidacy would mean an end to personal attacks in discussing politics. As that belief was mistaken, there remains no reason to vote for Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/42 "2008-09-10T07:52:32Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I don’t get it. I don’t like the ad either but the ‘one accomplishment’ says simply teaching sex education to primary schoolers. Nothing about sexual predators. Seems more like an attack ad that purports to highlight Obama’s lack of accomplishment. > > Seems to me you guys are reading far too much into it. The words “sexual predator” in the thread tritle are not a reference to what’s in the ad but toi what’s _not_ in the ad. The ad falsely claims that the bill sought to teach “comprehensive sex education in kindergarten.” In reality, the only thing the bill sought do _vis-a-vis_ kindergarteners was to give them information on how to avoid and report unwanted sexual attention. In other words, the bill was intended to help protect kindergarteners from sexual predators, and the McCain ad twisted it to say that Obama wanted to teach 5-year-olds detailed sexual information. ---
**Author:** ![Discordia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Discordia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Discordia)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/43 "2008-09-10T09:51:22Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’m going to vote for McCain, as I explained already, because I believe McCain will appoint textualist judges to the federal bench, support the Second Amendment, and not raise the tax rates I pay. > > I was considering voting for Obama IN SPITE of the fact that I didn’t agree with Obama on any of those issues, out of mistaken belief that Obama’s candidacy would mean an end to personal attacks in discussing politics. As that belief was mistaken, there remains no reason to vote for Obama. So instead, you’re voting for the party that started, and always starts, the slimy bullshit? Odd. That nonsense will never stop if people keep voting for the people who do it. Why do you particularly care if you’re taxed higher when you’re making over $250k anyway? Does it really affect your quality of life? Seems the vast amounts of money thrown down the drain paying interest on US debt is kind of more important than whether rich people are rich or really rich, but maybe I’d feel differently if I was rich (and American..). The Second Amendment seems like the Democrats version of abortion anyway, if they actually _do_ anything about it, they won’t see the White House again for decades. Plus Obama hasn’t said anything about it at all AFAIK. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/44 "2008-09-10T10:06:12Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > not raise the tax rates I pay. It’s all about the coin:rolleyes: This issue is a net winner for Obama, I think, if he keeps hammering it home as an arch-example of the McCain slime machine, challenges him to defend to apologize for it. Either way. I think O. picks up votes rather losing votes for it. If it turns out I’m wrong about this, though, then there was never any chance Obama could win, since that will mean McCain can scare Americans with outright lies and get rewarded for doing that. I’m sending Obama some more money today. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/45 "2008-09-10T11:22:50Z")
> [@Discordia](#): > > So instead, you’re voting for the party that started, and always starts, the slimy bullshit? Odd. That nonsense will never stop if people keep voting for the people who do it. > > Why do you particularly care if you’re taxed higher when you’re making over $250k anyway? Does it really affect your quality of life? Seems the vast amounts of money thrown down the drain paying interest on US debt is kind of more important than whether rich people are rich or really rich, but maybe I’d feel differently if I was rich (and American..). > > The Second Amendment seems like the Democrats version of abortion anyway, if they actually _do_ anything about it, they won’t see the White House again for decades. Plus Obama hasn’t said anything about it at all AFAIK. Not meaning to speak for **Bricker** , and not meaning to hijack this thread, but listen: [ul] [li] **Bricker** ’s OP you’re referencing was full up to here with dumb[/li][li]He’s recognized and admitted that[/li][li]It makes 100% sense for someone to vote for the issue(s) that are most important to him/her, for whatever reason[/li][li]\*\*Bricker has said that ‘clean politics’ was an issue to him, but _not as big of an issue as other things_. So, he’d rather take ‘slimy bullshit’ and lower taxes than higher taxes and less bullshit. That’s fine. It’s his choice to make.[/li][/ul] That thread was a total trainwreck, and I disagree pretty strongly with **Bricker** on politics much more than I agree with him, but what’s the point of calling him out for agreeing that this campaign ad was a low blow? Seriously, there’s no hypocrisy here, and there was no baiting. Let a man agree! ---
**Author:** ![Discordia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Discordia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Discordia)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/46 "2008-09-10T12:04:57Z")
Didn’t mean to dig up that thread, was mostly just wondering about his reasoning. He wanted to vote for Obama because he was running a clean campaign, then McCain starts slinging the slime and he decides a clean campaign isn’t possible so he…votes for McCain? If the supreme court issue is really important to him I’d understand I guess, I’m just curious what’s worth basically endorsing Rove style politics over, since the tax and 2nd amendment things seem sorta flimsy (slightly more taxes and Obama isn’t going to want to or be able to do shit about guns). Not trying to call him out or anything, genuinely curious since Bricker seems one of the more sane Conservatives that participate in political threads on here… Probably hijacking the thread, but with Bricker, Scylla and Dio all agreeing, it seems it isn’t going anywhere anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/47 "2008-09-10T12:07:36Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Yep, I’ve got to agree with the OP. Despicable. > > That’s two unfair slams in one day for Obama. This is not his week. > [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Elaborate, pretty please. I too would like to hear more as to why **Sam Stone** thinks that this was an unfair slam _for Obama_. ETA: And credit where credit is due to **Bricker** and **Scylla** , along with other tighty righties who can still see badness when it’s clear enough. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/48 "2008-09-10T12:11:55Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I too would like to hear more as to why **Sam Stone** thinks that this was an unfair slam _for Obama_. I think he means against Obama…two unfair slams that Obama endured. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by C3 View Post > > McCain & child sexual predators > > Thank you for putting that image into my head. No problem. I hope more people keep that image in their heads for election day. The fucking bastard. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/49 "2008-09-10T12:22:03Z")
> [@C3](#): > > I think he means against Obama…two unfair slams that Obama endured. He may, or not. I’d like to hear him clarify, if that’s okay. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/50 "2008-09-10T12:45:53Z")
Bad form, McCain. Good form would be to actually retract it. The Obama “lipstick on a pig” comment- McCain’s people should have fun with this, but not get all dour & serious in denouncing it. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/51 "2008-09-10T13:01:33Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Bad form, McCain. Good form would be to actually retract it. > > The Obama “lipstick on a pig” comment- McCain’s people should have fun with this, but not get all dour & serious in denouncing it. Explain, please, why it’s “fun” in charging someone falsely with sexism? ---
**Author:** ![Jdeforrest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/49beb7/32.png) [@Jdeforrest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jdeforrest)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/52 "2008-09-10T14:37:30Z")
I’d actually just like to point out that his taxes won’t really raise unless he makes over 600k/year. [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html) So unless your REALLY rich, Obama’s not going to be hurting your bottom line. So, judges is all that’s left for Bricker’s argument. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/53 "2008-09-10T14:54:00Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Explain, please, why it’s “fun” in charging someone falsely with sexism? It’s definitely a gaffe made in bad timing. I think instead of getting all outraged & asking for an apology, McCain’s folks could say “While we’re sure the good Senator had no intention of comparing our fair lady VP-nominee to a pig, has he no concept of how this comes across? blah blah blah” in a light & jovial manner. It does put egg on Obama’s face but it doesn’t inflame emotions. More like a political equivalent of Nelson Muntz’s “haw hah!” ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/54 "2008-09-10T14:59:51Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > He may, or not. I’d like to hear him clarify, if that’s okay. C3’s right. I thought Obama was the victim of two unfair shots yesterday. Some of us are capable of putting partisanship aside on occasion. Speaking of that… I’ve noticed with some satisfaction that there’s a lot of criticism of McCain’s reaction in the right-wing blogosphere this morning. Not all of them are piling on. There’s a lot of other people saying what Bricker, Scylla and I said last night. Anyway, McCain’s camp is busy overreacting and giving Obama the opportunity to turn the tables on them over this, so don’t worry. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/55 "2008-09-10T15:38:49Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > C3’s right. I thought Obama was the victim of two unfair shots yesterday. Some of us are capable of putting partisanship aside on occasion. > > Speaking of that… I’ve noticed with some satisfaction that there’s a lot of criticism of McCain’s reaction in the right-wing blogosphere this morning. Not all of them are piling on. There’s a lot of other people saying what Bricker, Scylla and I said last night. > > Anyway, McCain’s camp is busy overreacting and giving Obama the opportunity to turn the tables on them over this, so don’t worry. Fair enough, I first read it as a kind of snide remark (credit to built in cynicism the internet breeds in me), but I wasn’t sure so I asked for the clarification and appreciate the response. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/56 "2008-09-10T15:40:29Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’m going to vote for McCain, as I explained already, because I believe McCain will appoint textualist judges to the federal bench, support the Second Amendment, and not raise the tax rates I pay. > > I was considering voting for Obama IN SPITE of the fact that I didn’t agree with Obama on any of those issues, out of mistaken belief that Obama’s candidacy would mean an end to personal attacks in discussing politics. As that belief was mistaken, there remains no reason to vote for Obama. Oh bullshit. Save it for someone who buys your crap, and piss off. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/57 "2008-09-10T15:43:59Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Learning about sex ed doesn’t mean _doing_ it. Of course it does. Because to religious conservatives, teenagers would never ever _ever_ have the intelligence or resourcefulness to go out and have sex if it weren’t for the Evil Liberal Sex-Ed establishment planting those insidious little Sex seed thoughts in their fertile-yet-virginal minds. > [@elucidator](#): > > I’d still like to believe John McCain doesn’t know whats being done in his name. There’s still some of that left in me, something that still wants to believe that this is a contest between honorable men who simply disagree. That boat has sailed for me now. I have long believed that McCain was a sellout to the religious & neo-con strains of his party, and that he was not above acting the hypocrite, liar, and zealot in order to win this election. But I still believed that he was capable of being honorable and had just simply been swept up, perhaps against his better judgement, by controlling influences and the intoxicating closeness of the presidency. But this? This makes him a scumbag, pure and simple. If he still isn’t “aware” of what’s going on in his campaign, then he is beyond incompetent. But I think he knows and I think he doesn’t care. It’s sickening, and if there’s even a tiny fraction of justice in this election, an enormous wave of outraged parents will see this for the despicable nastiness that it is and turn the tide away from someone who–“honor” notwithstanding–would sink so low. Fuck him. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/58 "2008-09-10T15:45:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > This is negative campaigning at its finest/slimiest. Poor show, McCain. Gonna change your vote? Or is supporting pedophiles worse then a few anons on a message baord saying mean things? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/59 "2008-09-10T15:52:35Z")
Taxes will be raised, no matter what. They’re both lying through their teeth, and they both know it. We are $3.4 Godzillabucks in debt, what with George’s Excellent Adventure going on the credit card, infrastructure turning to cheese, and major financial going batshit pizza. _Post hock ergo propter hock_. And we are very, very much in hock. “Textualist judges” means, of course, “people who interpret the Constitution precisely as I do, hence, right”. And the gun thingy? Just keep the stinkin’ things, to hell with it! _Muzzle tov_, much good may they do you! ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/60 "2008-09-10T15:53:50Z")
This thread started because Senator McCain, and his campaign, mischaracterized and attacked Senator Obama over a piece of legislation. And I agree with that assessment. That said, calling McCain a pedophile, or saying he supports them (I’m not quite sure which you meant, **Tao** ) is out of line. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887.md?page=4)