# Despicable: McCain & child sexual predators **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 10, 2008, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887 "2008-09-10T01:59:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/161 "2008-09-11T00:39:20Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I’m a conservative Republican. I use rendition to torture, laugh at FISA, and tank the economy just for fun. > > On off days I threadshit. [Here’s your toilet](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10180520#post10180520). Enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/162 "2008-09-11T00:40:19Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Now you know how gay people, and racial minorities, and women and non-Christians feel. Wow, that’s profound. What an epiphany! Now that you cleared that up and made me see the light I guess I’ll go vote Democrat. What day is this? Christmas? Here’s a nickel. Go and buy the biggest christmas goose you in the store and deliver it to Bob Cratchet’s house, and keep the change. Now excuse me, I have to go see about getting Tiny Tim that operation. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/163 "2008-09-11T00:40:22Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > …For as long as you and the rest like you are lined up and accepted on Obama’s side of the aisle, I ain’t coming over… Awww, c’mon, who ya kiddin’? Regard this continuum: firm, stubborn, adamant, **Scylla.** Catch my drift? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/164 "2008-09-11T03:54:02Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Does that make millions of voters in this country contemptible? Depends on the reasons. Given the way your candidate whores himself out to whatever he thinks will win it’s hard to say what anyone can expect from McCain Republicans are hypocrites. Criticize Kerry as a flip flopper then you run McCain. The biggest flip flopper of them all. Enjoy your spinless cowardism. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/165 "2008-09-11T03:58:55Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Wow, that’s profound. What an epiphany! Now that you cleared that up and made me see the light I guess I’ll go vote Democrat. What makes you think I give a shit how you vote? Like I said about **Bricker** , you don’t have to justify your vote to me and I have no desire to try to convince you to change it it. My post was not meant to lobby for your vote, but to show your lack of moral high ground. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/166 "2008-09-11T04:01:43Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Your rabid dog, your backyard, your responsibility to put it down. You gonna put down Rush Limbaugh? ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/167 "2008-09-11T04:10:58Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > You gonna put down Rush Limbaugh? And Coulter. Can’t forget Coulter. Oh, and how about Rove? Maybe DeLay too. Okay, hang on, I’m gonna need something to write with… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/168 "2008-09-11T05:19:18Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Your rabid dog, your backyard, your responsibility to put it down. Oh, by no means, she shows distinct sympathies for anarcho-syndicalist ideology, and leans toward Eurocommunism (ya know, Marcuse, that bunch) and its decentralized concept of the Comintern. Which, as I’m sure you know, runs directly counter to the fundamental necessity of the revolutionary cadres to impose the dictatorship of the proletariat. As well, it has been rumored that she prefers Oreos to Hyrdox. Simply being to the left of you is not exactly an exclusive club, nor are we somehow collectively responsible to preserve your dignity. If Dennis Kucinich decides to whip some vegetarain aikido on you, you’re on your own, pal. I ain’t taking him on, got the eyes of a killer. What, you think every time \*\*Red Fury \*\*blows a gasket, I gotta put on sack cloth and ashes, spend three days droning apologies to everybody to the right of **John Mace**? (Why him? Relentlessly centrist, its like an obsession. Not only sits on the fence, installed a barcalounger and a tv…) ---
**Author:** ![GomiBoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@GomiBoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GomiBoy)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/169 "2008-09-11T07:49:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > One of the criticisms often leveled against the left is that they are elitists and are contemptuous of Middle America. > > Assuming, as has been true in years past, that a fair chunk of Middle America votes Republican, is that a charge that has some weight? There seems to be some support here for the basic proposition that a vote for the GOP is contemptible in and of itself, no further evidence needed. > > To me, the disconnect between these positions is interesting. > > Do Democrats who feel this way think their contempt is not noticed? Do they feel they can win the election without need for these Middle America voters? Do they feel this contempt but conceal it? > > My own theory is that the _per se_ contempt rule discussed here is not shared by many Democrats, certainly not many in elected office. > > But I could be wrong. Because middle Americans are the only true Americans, right? Because only fake Americans live in LA, New York, San Francisco, or Seattle, right? I am so tired of this ridiculous talking point I could just vomit. The contempt Middle America feels towards the edges is just as strong if not more so than that which the Democrats feel towards ‘real, working class’ Middle Americans - I grew up in MOntana, I know how ‘Middle Americans’ feel about the rest of the country and it’s so over-the-top contempt compared to what I feel about them it’s not even funny. It’s the lies that the Middle Americans seem to want to believe that make me hold them in contempt, and the ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/170 "2008-09-11T09:14:44Z")
I grew up in Texas and spent the summers in rural Arkansas. My grandfather was a farmer and a pulp wood hauler, and part owner of the local fillin station. he once kicked William Dillards (of Dillard Department store fame) ass in a fight over a girl in High School. He was a hard working, decent man who used to tear into the gas station owners who wouldnt let his black employees use the bathroom (not a healthy stance to take at that time and place). He was a great man but what he knew about world affairs was limited to what he could get on the local news…when he could get the local news. My other grandfather was a sharecropper, a moonshiner, and musician. He was descended from Cherokee that escaped off of the trail of tears. He was a good guy and I miss him a lot but he knew probably less about how the outside world worked than my other grandfather. My parents went to college and then became graduate school professors. My father was also a baptist preacher from the time he was 15 years old, and left teaching the seminary when it was taken over by right wing fundie nutjobs. So I’ve spent a lot of time around well educated folk, and the “middle america” crowd. I have nothing but respect for the people from rural Arkansas…I love the people of Texas I grew up around but they are not the most informed people in the world. It’s not that I have any contempt for any of these people, far from it. They are hard working decent human beings. But I know where they come from and and the Republican party has spent a great deal of money and energy convincing them that liberal media and scientific community is trying to trick them. And they buy it, because they don’t know anything different. Their preachers tell them this, and they were raised to trust their preachers. When you don’t have education to fall back on, and you are cut off from world events then you DO fall back on religion and tradition. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/171 "2008-09-11T12:43:31Z")
Now that **Bricker’s** hijack is over lets get back on topic. Will McCain apologize? Is he too much of a scumbag to own up to his actions? Or does he really believe keeping kids ignorant about what sexual abuse is and how to stop it will make America a better place? The mind boggles I don’t know how any decent human being could vote for him in good conscience given what a spineless worm he’s turning out to be. ---
**Author:** ![GomiBoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@GomiBoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GomiBoy)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/172 "2008-09-11T12:49:07Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Now that **Bricker’s** hijack is over lets get back on topic. > > Will McCain apologize? Is he too much of a scumbag to own up to his actions? Or does he really believe keeping kids ignorant about what sexual abuse is and how to stop it will make America a better place? > > The mind boggles I don’t know how any decent human being could vote for him in good conscience given what a spineless worm he’s turning out to be. McCain isn’t spineless, he’s simply putting his personal goal (getting elected President) above all other moral or ethical concerns. He’s a sell-out and a whore, not a wimp. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/173 "2008-09-11T12:51:34Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Now you know how gay people, and racial minorities, and women and non-Christians feel. You have an almost valid point on one of those groups. Come on, Dio- you’re a better raconteur than that! ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/174 "2008-09-11T12:52:54Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Your rabid dog, your backyard, your responsibility to put it down. Bring me the head of Ann Coulter, and we’ll talk. Until then, fuck right off, you disingenuous shit. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/175 "2008-09-11T12:56:06Z")
> [@GomiBoy](#): > > He’s a sell-out and a whore, not a wimp. I’ll believe he isn’t spineless when he apologizes to Obama for this. If he doesn’t apologize then he’s either a spineless worm OR actually believes it’s better to leave defenseless little kids being sexually abused in ignorance about what to do about it. ---
**Author:** ![GomiBoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@GomiBoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GomiBoy)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/176 "2008-09-11T13:11:18Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > I’ll believe he isn’t spineless when he apologizes to Obama for this. > > If he doesn’t apologize then he’s either a spineless worm OR actually believes it’s better to leave defenseless little kids being sexually abused in ignorance about what to do about it. As I said McCain has proven his only goal is to be elected. He’s not compromising on that goal for anything or any one, and is willing to sell out any beliefs he previously held, to the point of selecting an Agent of Intolerance (his words regarding other Religious Right pro-life figures) as his veep. So I would assume an apology will not be forthcoming, which he will see as reinforcing his goal to get elected through fair means or foul. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/177 "2008-09-11T13:18:25Z")
> [@GomiBoy](#): > > As I said McCain has proven his only goal is to be elected. He’s not compromising on that goal for anything or any one, and is willing to sell out any beliefs he previously held, to the point of selecting an Agent of Intolerance (his words regarding other Religious Right pro-life figures) as his veep. > > So I would assume an apology will not be forthcoming, which he will see as reinforcing his goal to get elected through fair means or foul. I wonder if any private words will be exchanged between Obama and McCain at today’s 9/11 ceremony. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/178 "2008-09-11T13:21:49Z")
> [@GomiBoy](#): > > As I said McCain has proven his only goal is to be elected. He’s not compromising on that goal for anything or any one, and is willing to sell out any beliefs he previously held, to the point of selecting an Agent of Intolerance (his words regarding other Religious Right pro-life figures) as his veep. > > So I would assume an apology will not be forthcoming, which he will see as reinforcing his goal to get elected through fair means or foul. The very definition of spineless. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/179 "2008-09-11T14:01:11Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Bring me the head of Ann Coulter, and we’ll talk. Until then, fuck right off, you disingenuous shit. This opens the chance for a cheap, tasteless joke about Ann giving her head. Let the record show that I have refused this opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887/180 "2008-09-11T14:05:26Z")
I’ve been trying to track down in this mess what went down. Obama says he doesn’t support explicit sex education - and many on this board will be happy to take him at his word on that. I was trying to see what he did on the matter - and found that when given the chance to make that explicit - in the legislation mentioned - he didn’t do so. The age appropriate measures were added by floor amendment, not in Obama’s committee. And it does appear that he voted the unamended bill out of committee. Still, this isn’t nearly as clear cut as it should be for an ad, and McCain should not have made it for that reason. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/despicable-mccain-child-sexual-predators/462887.md?page=10)