# Destiny's Child - Soldier **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 28, 2005, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/destinys-child-soldier/287160 "2005-01-28T19:21:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/destinys-child-soldier/287160/41 "2005-02-01T00:14:34Z")
I… am at a loss. If dude dumped beer on you and they made YOU leave when you complained, he must be one connected motherf\*\*\*\*\*. Yeah, skip that club, something’s shady there. Anybody willing to waste good beer just to be an ass deserves to be left alone. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/destinys-child-soldier/287160/42 "2005-02-01T00:31:56Z")
Back to the original topic 😃 This song always makes me giggle when they sing the line,“only carry big things, if you know what I mean.” One of them had a really high selling Christian album when they went their seperate ways for that year or so there. ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/destinys-child-soldier/287160/43 "2005-02-01T02:02:54Z")
> [@Indygrrl](#): > > Ultrafilter, > I think you know what I’m getting at. I’m not referring to Black Metal, that Norwegian stuff you’re talking about is so obscure, most American teens haven’t even heard of it. I’m referring to regular old Black Sabbath and the like. Metallica, Motorhead, etc., etc. > > No, the look is not the same. They’re completely different. > > Metal: [Just Racing | Horse, Greyhound and Harness Racing News, Tips and Bets](http://www.undercover.com.au/pics/motorhead.jpg) > > Hip hop:[http://www.famous-popular.com/50-cents.jpg](http://www.famous-popular.com/50-cents.jpg) > > If I had a son, I’d be like, “hey, check out Motorhead,” and I’d hope he wouldn’t turn around and want to dress like 50 cent. > > Really, there are pro’s and con’s all around, but I’m no fan of gang emulation, guns, violence against women, etc. I like a lot of hip hop, but I’m not going to be happy if my little brother wants to copy it. If it’s metal, I feel I have no worries. What problem do you have with the way 50 cent dresses? [Here](http://launch.yahoo.com/ar-294445-photos--5-Cent) are some pictures of him. Looks pretty normal to me. He dresses better than plenty of metal people I can think of. ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/destinys-child-soldier/287160/44 "2005-02-01T02:48:37Z")
> [@Indygrrl](#): > > I think the hip hop people might be more influenced than the metal people, but I don’t really know. Hip hop/rap is generally more negative. And it’s a style that more people want to emulate. Well, wait, I don’t know. > > Let’s say you emulate rap. You want “bling bling” and girls with fat bottoms dancing around, etc. Crime is glorified, guns are glorified. > > Metal is a community. Sure, everyone wears black and listens to music about satan, but generally a good group of people. Our one and only casualty was Dimebag Darrel, and that was a crazed fan. That could happen anywhere. > > Let’s say you emulate metal. That means you might wear black, smoke pot, drink alcohol, and sit around in your mom’s basement (teen metalheads). You wear black and flip people off a lot. You don’t collect guns as a general rule. Violence is absolutely not glorified. > > I’ve lost my point somewhere around here. Can someone help me find it? 😃 Rap is the most popular genre of music. I seriously doubt rap fans are more impressionable than any other genre of music. If it were, you’d see a lot more fans with “gun collections”. It’s also strange how you feel the people in the metal community are generally good people while people in the rap community aren’t. That strikes me as very biased. I don’t think rap is more negative. It is certainly more honest and blunt than most genres of music, but that doesn’t make it more negative. What I was initially struck by, while reading most of this thread, is the odd value systems you guys have. Somehow habing gold teeth is worse than having a bunch of piercing in your face. I don’t know any of you well enough to say that any of your comments have racial undertones, but many of them sound as if they do. Even the collective impression that the attire many rappers wear is that of a thug/criminal is rooted in ignorance. There are far more thugs walking around in street clothes and business suits than those in tank tops and doo-rags. Even this thread is perplexing. The song is basically about how they want a guy with a nice car, lots of money, power (street credibility), and big penis. How is this news? Of most women aren’t that superficial, but most men with those attributes don’t have a problem picking up any of them. It’s not news that women like these things. Maybe the way they articulated it is crass, but I view that song with the same gravity if viewed “Rump Shaker” by Wreck-N-Effect. Please explain a few things to me. Why is it any more absurd to dress like 50 cent than it is to dress like Tim McGraw. Dressing like a cowboy seems infinitely more childish and idiotic than dressing like a rapper. The only difference is that society at large accepts the former because mostly white people do it. All of you are entitled to have you own standard of what you feel is aesthetically pleasing, but please stop pretending there is a qualitative difference between hip-hop clothing and the clothing associated with most other forms of music. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/destinys-child-soldier/287160/45 "2005-02-01T03:09:24Z")
> [@brickbacon](#): > > Dressing like a cowboy seems infinitely more childish and idiotic than dressing like a rapper. The only difference is that society at large accepts the former because mostly white people do it. :rolleyes: Come down here and walk around wearing a cowboy getup, then wear your standard hip-hop street clothes. Wanna guess which one is going to get more attention and mockery behind your back? ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/destinys-child-soldier/287160/46 "2005-02-01T06:17:09Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > :rolleyes: > > Come down here and walk around wearing a cowboy getup, then wear your standard hip-hop street clothes. Wanna guess which one is going to get more attention and mockery behind your back? I live in the hickest part of California where it isn’t all too strange to see someone walking around in wranglers, boots, and a big, fat cowboy hat. Even with that, we have plenty of people who where loose pants, big shirts, new basketball shoes, caps and have tattoos. Even with that, I agree that hip hop culture is frowned upon for some reason. I guess people who don’t really understand it automatically relate this style of music to gangs and that life style. Of course, that isn’t the case. Just because I listen to country music doesn’t mean I rope cattle. Just because I listen to rap doesn’t mean I go around busting a cap in bitches and hoes. I certainly don’t see how someone can say that rock culture is any better (more moral?) than hip hop. Please. Both have equal amounts of violence, sex, drugs and generally immoral activities. Of course, that should never be used as some rash generalization. ---
**Author:** ![audiobottle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc8723/32.png) [@audiobottle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/audiobottle)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/destinys-child-soldier/287160/47 "2005-02-01T14:16:24Z")
I’m sorry, but I just have to bring this back to the rapper named Lil’ Wayne. Huh? This guy is supposed to be some bad muthaf\*\*\*\*, but his name is Wayne _and_ he’s little? I’ve never heard the song, but trying to parse the lyrics made my head hurt. I guess I’m getting out of the loop more than I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/destinys-child-soldier/287160/48 "2005-02-01T16:48:53Z")
> [@brickbacon](#): > > What problem do you have with the way 50 cent dresses? [Here](http://launch.yahoo.com/ar-294445-photos--5-Cent) are some pictures of him. Looks pretty normal to me. He dresses better than plenty of metal people I can think of. I didn’t say I had a problem with it, only that it’s completely different than the way metal performers dress. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/destinys-child-soldier/287160/49 "2005-02-01T16:55:52Z")
> [@brickbacon](#): > > Rap is the most popular genre of music. I seriously doubt rap fans are more impressionable than any other genre of music. If it were, you’d see a lot more fans with “gun collections”. It’s also strange how you feel the people in the metal community are generally good people while people in the rap community aren’t. That strikes me as very biased. I don’t know if they are or aren’t more impressionable, but as I stated above, you can’t play rap in most of the clubs in Indy because of violence of some sort. I’m not sure what that means. Maybe it’s racist. But, I do know of separate occasions where guns were pulled out at hip hop themed nights, and where many punches and blows were thrown. Anecdotal, but those types of theme nights might have been banned in parts of your city too. There are reasons behind it. Clubowners don’t think it’s worth the risk. In my experience, I just haven’t seen that kind of crap at metal shows. Like I said, you’ll see some guy get punched or something, but you don’t hear about him getting shot. But yeah, I go to a lot more metal shows than hip hop. The night after Dimebag Darrel got shot on stage, I went to see Clutch at a local venue. I swear, it was the weirdest, most surreal thing ever. People were saying “excuse me” if they bumped into you even slightly, and there was a sense of respect and sadness in the air. It was the most polite bunch of metalheads I’ve ever been privileged to enjoy a show with. And, ftr, I don’t think either are “good people.” I know very few good people, so I certainly wouldn’t make a sweeping generalization about one group over the other. I think my main point was simply that they’re different crowds and their reactions are different to the music they hear. ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/destinys-child-soldier/287160/50 "2005-02-01T21:45:49Z")
fair enough. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/destinys-child-soldier/287160.md?page=2)