Yep, except this time it was attacks from centrists inside the party. They hated that Corbyn was the massive favourite of the party members.
It’s not OK it happened just because you don’t like left wing policies and want neoliberal Labor back.
Kinda sounds like Trump blaming the Deep State — those awful centrists who aren’t committed to the boss’ agenda!
You are missing the point by a country mile, I am interested in what happened but I don’t trust this report and you haven’t even linked to it anyway.
You seem to be a Corbyn supporter so I understand that you are tempted believe the worst of his opponents no matter how spurious or biased. But If you want to know what what actually happened then you should be asking for a transparent and independant inquiry and let it cover the behaviour of all factions without fear or favour.
I’m waiting before I pass judgement because I don’t know what happened and I don’t trust the way in which this report was constructed, nor the motives of those behind it.
There’s no question that JC was undermined and constantly beleaguered by an absolute shower of self-serving, duplicitous shitehawks from within his own party. That is a matter of record. Where you will see some differences of opinion, though, is on whether this merits anything more than a big So What?
IOW if you’re a polarising figure who has no parliamentary power base, so can’t maintain party unity and discipline, lacks the personal attributes to lead and take people with him, and can’t build a functional parliamentary apparatus, then WTF are you doing there in the first place? The reports surfacing now make for very ugly reading (even allowing for the fact they are largely hearsay atm), but let’s face it are largely to be expected when you elect a weak non-politician to lead the labour party.
That all being said, one has to admit to the absolute shithousery at play here. Like I think we can all understand ruthless ambition in a politician - Blair asphyxiating Brown in a surround play, or Gove shanking Johnson in the front, post Cameron. So if a labour politician wanted to do likewise and take a greataxe to JC and his entire rabble of sadness then that is one thing, boldly take the reins and get the show back on the road. Blood, guts and pieces of pancreas bestrewn across the lobby floors.
But what we see here are unelected non-entities not doing their jobs, engaging in filthy business and for what? So Tom Watson (LOL) can pull the strings of the chicken coup?
It’s a tragic situation all round and one that any labour party supporter is best off trying to move on from IMHO. I can see how that will be impossible for some and can’t fault them for it really - how many extra seats did JC need to get a minority government over the line in 2017, about ten ? That is not many votes at all, 1000s in all likelihood as many were razor thin majorities. Well within reach of a coordinated labour campaign. So some bitter water under the bridge there that KS will need to deal with internally.
This. So many times this. In a Westminster parliamentary system, electing the leader by a one-party-member/one-vote system is madness. The leader of the party has to have support from the MPs. Having a leadership system where the rank and file can choose a leader who is opposed by most of the elected MPs is a recipe for disaster. There will be a couple of years of infighting, whether covert or public, and a loss of the general election.
Let’s assume in the USA you could pay $5 to join the Democratic Party and vote for the leader. There’s no doubt that AOC would be Speaker of the House. And that would be a disaster.
" The Labour party could have tackled antisemitism more effectively “if the leadership had chosen to do so”, the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) concluded as part of its 130-page investigation released on Thursday.
The watchdog also concluded that Labour breached the Equality Act in two cases – relating to the former London mayor Ken Livingstone and a borough councillor, Pam Bromley – “by committing unlawful harassment” against Jewish people."
Full report at:
Labour suspends Jeremy Corbyn over EHRC report comments
This is pretty damning of Corbyn. The report is independent and thorough and Labour need to robustly respond. Corbyn being suspended is the obvious first step. Others will follow and of course the Corbyn acolytes will still defend him and claim he did nothing wrong.
He was a dreadful leader and his incompetency has been clearly uncovered.
The EHRC is not at all an impartial source:
In 2016, the Labour politician Harriet Harman, chair of the joint committee on human rights at Westminster, criticized the appointment of David Isaac as the new EHRC chair. As Harman noted, Isaac’s legal firm Pinsent Masons did “significant work” for the British government: “The lion’s share of his income will be coming from an organization that has a vested interest. As they say, ‘he who pays the piper calls the tune.’”
Full article, it’s sad how many Brits ate up lies like they were Cornish Pasties:
Try again, Corbyn smearers.
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more like Alf Ramsey’s porn dungeon.
Full marks for spotting the reference, zero marks for your defence of Corbyn.
Jacobin? seriously? You’ll understand if I’m not surprised that this hard left socialist and marxist publication are trying their best to rehabilitate the reputation of their former contributer.
If the EHRC is not an impartial source, in what way can “Jacobin” be said to be impartial?
What about her, it’s her quote.
or:
" In November 2019, BBC’s Newsnight reported the contents of a leaked letter from the EHRC’s chief executive Rebecca Hilsenrath, in which she accused Isaac of being too close to the Conservative government: Isaac, Hilsenrath wrote, “regularly declines to take public positions” on issues that might prove troublesome for the ruling party.?
Here is another quote from Harriet, rather more recent and rather more to the point.
This is the right thing to do. If you say that AS exaggerated for factional reasons you minimise it & are, as Keir Starmer says, part of the problem.
That was just last year when Corbyn was suspended due to his mealy-mouthed equivocation on the criticism of his tenure.
Corbyn’s leaky ship has sailed. What he did, what he said and how he handled the situation is precisely in line with the rest of his tawdry political career. Good riddance.
Problem with not liking Jacobin for bias is that what’s left (remains) in England media? In world media? Everything’s got biases. UK media is fucked for days and forever, all of it in terms of bias.
Yeah I know some British people who were also fooled by anti-Corbyn attacks. It’s hard to understand for an outsider but I thanks for trying to help me.
Oh yeah Jewish socialist Labor are being fucked by Stamer, they hate him because he’s a cunt to them.
"We are appalled by the large and growing number of Jewish members of the Labour Party – including ourselves – who have recently been subject to disciplinary proceedings related to alleged antisemitism. This fact alone – over and above the trumped up and politicised nature of the charges – makes a mockery of Keir Starmer’s commitment to ensuring Labour is a safe space for Jews. It is now abundantly clear that this commitment does not cover discrimination against Jewish socialists.
The bias is a problem for you, not me. You were the one that claimed bias on the part of the investigation and backed it up with a source that is ideologically committed to be favourable to Corbyn.
As for being fooled by anti-Corbyn attacks, I don’t see it. Being from the UK I can confirm that people of all political persuasions have found him generally, deeply unlikeable and came to this conclusion without examining his political record (which is a matter of record) but mainly by listening to what he says. I find him arrogant, aloof, evasive and slow-witted. Not a leader, door-step poison, a fact that was confirmed time and time again.
Personally I view him as a placeholder - to get a reform process under way, but if he cannot do that then what good is he?
What good is the Labour Party either if it cannot deal with its internal misbehaviour - do not forget that plenty of those Labour activists are also trade union representatives and often organise themselves in ‘party within a party’ organisation - Left Unity being one of them.
I have seen in one specific case an excellent Trade Union rep who won a massive landmark case for women’s equality - the case took around 8 years and would never have made it without him and reimbursed millions of women workers unfair deductions and equal pay grades and equalised pensions. Despite this the union itself hounded him and dismissed him simply because he was not part of the Left Unity Sect - we took our own union to court as an employer and won an unfair discritimination case on the basis of Trade Union activity (T.U reps are a protected category in unfair dismissal claims and have no limits to their claims)
What I am saying is that getting rid of these horrible individuals isn’t just a matter for the Labour Party - if they manage to kick them out , this would add further weight and ammunition to getting rid of them from Trade Unions too - and perhaps I would not be going to Trade Union Conferences and seeing fringe meetings supporting really dodgy causes proposed by these lunatics.
Anti Semitism in the Labour Party and Unions is little to do with Judaism at all, its just a semaphore for the extreme left to identify each other, I kind of get fed up with these idiots shouting out 'General Strike - all out now’and other such rubbish in favour of “The workers Paradise” when discussing motions or attending gatherings, perhaps these idiots should look at what the result of the 1925 general strike was and how little it served the Trade Union movement as a whole.
Some of them need to go off to the Workers Socialist Paradise as run by Putin and try out their antics there - see where that takes them.
You are probably closer to the official Labour party than I am, I only get feedback from Labour voters (and potential voters) but did you get the feeling that the higher levels heard the level of distaste for Corbyn? In the run up to the election last year it was deafening around me and pretty much all unsolicited.
It is still split up between ‘moderates’ and ‘heart & soul’ camps.
The latter seem to want a paradise that supposedly existed prior top 1960, the former are often protrayed as being Tory Lite.
Oddly the incoming lot are the ones in the second group - they have not learned moderation or pragmatism, they don’t understand about the art of the possible - but they tend to be committed and active.
Corbyn is one of those who never let reality stand in the way of idealism even though age should have tempered his outlook.
If you really want to know why the Tories keep winning, look at Corbyn, Starmer might be able to close the gap - but until we see some sort of accommadation with the Scots or collapse of Sturgeon support and a transfer over to Labour, we are not likely to see the Tories ousted no matter how poor they perform - I’m afraid Gordon Brown got it absolutely right