# Detective discovers consensual incest during (and incidental) to case. What do do? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 28, 2011, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178 "2011-06-28T19:23:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/21 "2011-06-29T22:10:37Z")
Skald apparently watched GAME OF THRONES and DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES too close together. They’re vulnerable to being blackmailed again and again over this so if Rob’s job involves access to security clearance info that others would want enough to be unethical for it then it is an issue that should be reported. Also, they need to tell their kid because he’s going to find out sooner or later (like when he notices he only has one set of grandparents and that his parents look a lot alike and have the same birthday and birthplace and birthtime and parents on their birth certificates), though telling the kid isn’t Gee’s problem obviously. But it’s not necessarily just their business if security is an issue. Plus it’s really really high on the EWWWW chart. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/22 "2011-06-29T22:44:10Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Skald apparently watched GAME OF THRONES and DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES too close together. 😕 I was conflating _Mortal Stakes_, _Flowers in the Attic_, and _Hotel New Hampshire_ references, actually. I’ve never seen _Thrones_ and I lost patience with _DH_ in the first season. > [@](#): > > Also, they need to tell their kid because he’s going to find out sooner or later (like when he notices he only has one set of grandparents and that his parents look a lot alike and have the same birthday and birthplace and birthtime and parents on their birth certificates), though telling the kid isn’t Gee’s problem obviously. I think the OP says they’ve dummied up a false identity for Jodie; that implies a fake birth certificate for Jodie, if not necessarily fake family pictures. Probably they told the kids her parents died in a fire that took all her childhood memories, or what not. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/23 "2011-06-29T23:05:27Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] I think the OP says they’ve dummied up a false identity for Jodie; that implies a fake birth certificate for Jodie, if not necessarily fake family pictures. Probably they told the kids her parents died in a fire that took all her childhood memories, or what not. [/QUOTE] A fake birth certificate is a crime so I’d out them for that. This isn’t a victimless crime. FYI: _Game of Thrones_ has children born of a secret twincestuous relationship as a major plot theme. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/24 "2011-06-29T23:09:25Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > A fake birth certificate is a crime so I’d out them for that. This isn’t a victimless crime. Again I must 😕. Though I’d be ooked out my ownself, I don’t see that creating an entirely new identity as victimizing anyone. Who is the victim there? ETA: Anyway, I doubt the kids would ever have seen a birth certificate for their parents, legitimate or not. And, as I think on it, I don’t know that they’d have had to make one; Jodie may just be living off the radar. That does make her vulnerable, though. > [@](#): > > FYI: _Game of Thrones_ has children born of a secret twincestuous relationship as a major plot theme. If you say so. The twins in the OP were named after Jodie Foster, Rob Lowe, and the former’s character in _Hotel New Hampshire._ ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/25 "2011-06-29T23:21:33Z")
Did Gee find the security leak? Either way, this is an easy one. Gee insists they leave DataTech, and lets them go about their business. They should probably get Jodie a little plastic surgery, too. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/26 "2011-06-29T23:24:20Z")
> [@j66](#): > > Did Gee find the security leak? Obviously. Otherwise how could Gee know for sure that it’s not them? ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/27 "2011-06-29T23:46:02Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Obviously. Otherwise how could Gee know for sure that it’s not them? That can be fodder for your next hypothetical. Well, someone else could have found the leak. Gee could have determined Berry did not have access to crucial leaked information at the time. Berry could have convinced Gee that if he were the leak, he would have had to pay the blackmailer cash. The blackmailer could have convinced Gee s/he was the leak; s/he could have 'chance to see them at DataTech where s/he works … OR there was no industrial espionage. Two groups of engineers at the companies had ongoing bets to see who could develop the best technology first; the companies really were developing the same technology independently. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/28 "2011-06-29T23:48:21Z")
> [@j66](#): > > That can be fodder for your next hypothetical. > > Well, someone else could have found the leak. Gee could have determined Berry did not have access to crucial leaked information at the time. Berry could have convinced Gee that if he were the leak, he would have had to pay the blackmailer cash. The blackmailer could have convinced Gee s/he was the leak; s/he could have 'chance to see them at DataTech where s/he works … > > OR there was no industrial espionage. Two groups of engineers at the companies had ongoing bets to see who could develop the best technology first; the companies really were developing the same technology independently. Don’t make me throw this pie at you. I make very good lemon-meringue pies and do not wish to waste one on slapstick but if you force me I will. The OP is ridiculously long so you might have missed it, but it does say that Gee discovers the leak and it’s not the Berries. That’s why their issue is incidental. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/29 "2011-06-29T23:56:47Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Don’t make me throw this pie at you. I make very good lemon-meringue pies and do not wish to waste one on slapstick but if you force me I will. > > The OP is ridiculously long so you might have missed it, but it does say that Gee discovers the leak and it’s not the Berries. That’s why their issue is incidental. Ah, “… before finding hte true culprit, …”, I did miss that. Keep calm, and carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/30 "2011-06-30T00:23:02Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Again I must 😕. > > Though I’d be ooked out my ownself, I don’t see that creating an entirely new identity as victimizing anyone. Who is the victim there? Regardless of your personal feelings on the matter, possession of a fake birth certificate with intent to deceive is a felony in most states. This makes her, by definition, a felon and, along with her incest, very vulnerable to blackmail (as evidenced by the fact it’s already happened). What happens when they run out of money to pay a blackmailer? They could kill him (illegal) or steal (illegal) or come-out (not likely). ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/31 "2011-06-30T01:26:34Z")
You made tto much effort trying to find excuses for their behaviour ('they didn’t originally know they were siblings, etc…). Even if they engaged in this relationship with full knowledge it was an incest (they were raised together, etc…), how is it any of my business what they do in their bedroom? I don’t care if they’re siblings, and it doesn’t make them bad people in my book. If the law is in disagreement, I’m not going to help law enforcement mess up with what consenting adults do and wreck up a long-term loving relationship. The only issue would be my obligations to my employer. And I wouldn’t tell him either, because it would have bad consequences for the couple. I would only tell him that yes, Rob Gerry is a security risk and susceptible to be blackmailed. But not why and would desist for any further participation in the enquiry about them. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/32 "2011-06-30T02:21:46Z")
[QUOTE=clairobscur] The only issue would be my obligations to my employer. And I wouldn’t tell him either, because it would have bad consequences for the couple. I would only tell him that yes, Rob Gerry is a security risk and susceptible to be blackmailed. But not why and would desist for any further participation in the enquiry about them. [/QUOTE] What if you then found out you were their triplet? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/33 "2011-06-30T02:52:04Z")
> [@Moonlitherial](#): > > After reading the OP completely I think that Gee should talk to Rob and Jodie and both explain that their blackmailer is no more and that Gee will be reporting to his employer that although Rob is not the leak there are personal issues that make him a target for blackmail. Sad as it is to split up an obviously working relationship Gee was hired by DataTech and his scope of duties would cover this information. > > Rob and Jodie can deal with that however they choose. If this were the scenario I would add that Gee could strongly hint at them that if they were to find themselves employed elsewhere very soon, then they would be no longer a security risk to DataTech and he could merely file his report as _“Berry, who as of this final report date is no longer associated with this company, was determined to not have been involved in any malfeasance against DataTech while employed here”_. Of course, they’ll have to live with the knowledge that their cover remains compromised, even if by someone who’s not out to harm them. But dang, that’s gonna be some serious therapy payments down the road for everybody, eventually…:eek: ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/34 "2011-06-30T03:24:37Z")
I believe there are two pancakes on the bunny’s head. StG ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/35 "2011-06-30T18:28:17Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > You made tto much effort trying to find excuses for their behaviour ('they didn’t originally know they were siblings, etc…). And you made no effort at all at reading comprehension. The OP contains no suggestion that the twins were ever ignorant of their relationship to one another. It specifically says that their parents were made uneasy by their connection when they were adolescents and separated them to prevent consummation. Nor did I make attempt to find excuses for their behavior. At most I explinaed why they waited to have sex until after both parents were dead. Iif they DID wait, which is not certain. They may have found a way. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/36 "2011-06-30T18:30:29Z")
> [@StGermain](#): > > I believe there are two pancakes on the bunny’s head. > > StG Good golly, you’re right! ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/37 "2011-06-30T18:32:55Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Good golly, you’re right! You shouldn’t say “good golly,” Mika. It makes you sound like a Welshman. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/38 "2011-06-30T18:45:34Z")
What are you, my dad? 😃 I say “Eh”, too, does that make me sound Canadian? My whole lingo is a hodge-podge of everywhere I’ve been, as a matter of fact. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/39 "2011-06-30T18:47:07Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > What are you, my dad? 😃 I say “Eh”, too, does that make me sound Canadian? My whole lingo is a hodge-podge of everywhere I’ve been, as a matter of fact. I just don’t want you sounding like a Welshman, is all. Sounding like a Canadian is fine; it’ll keep you out of hell. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178/40 "2011-06-30T18:52:16Z")
> [@StGermain](#): > > I believe there are two pancakes on the bunny’s head. > > StG Fool of a Theban! There is but one hotcake on the lagomorph’s head. The other is atop the first. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/detective-discovers-consensual-incest-during-and-incidental-to-case-what-do-do/587178.md?page=3)