# Dexter 10/7/12 "Sunshine and Frosty Swirl"
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [October 8, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108 "2012-10-08T17:45:40Z")
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### Author:  [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)
#### Post date: [October 10, 2012, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/21 "2012-10-10T01:39:25Z")
> [@Ruffian](#):
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> This episode so stretched plausibility, I for the first time thought, “This is ridiculous and I don’t know that I care what happens anymore.” But, I’m willing to see what the next few episodes are like.
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> Irritant #1: Deb finds out Dexter is a serial killer. Deb knows Dex’s wife was murdered. HOW IS NOT ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS OUT OF HER MOUTH “Did you kill Rita?” Rita’s _murder_ never even comes up. Seriously??
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> Irritant #3: Deb knows he’s an accomplished serial killer, and she thinks she’s going 1) cure him by 2) keeping him under lock and key? Really. _Really_?
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> At one point in the episode, Deb said something like, “I must be the worst police officer ever.” I laughed and said out loud, “Yes you are!”
I believe I said “Yes you are” as well. And I laughed a lot at it. I think we were supposed to laugh… or at least I hope so.
Deb was acting like the world’s clingiest and insecure girlfriend got cheated on.
And as to point 1, she didn’t just ignore Rita, but she didn’t ask if he killed Harry, their mother, the neighbor’s dogs, Rita’s ex, Brian/the doctor, Lila, Doakes, Trinity, Lundy, Lumen’s rapists, his former BFF and his brothers (Jimmy Smits). Ask “Did Rita know? Does anyone else know?” Maybe I missed a few things when I spaced out due to boredom or _headdesking_ through the stupidity, but I’d have had a lot more to say and ask than “What are you thinking?” every 10 seconds.
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### Author:  [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)
#### Post date: [October 10, 2012, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/22 "2012-10-10T04:14:47Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#):
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> I believe I said “Yes you are” as well. And I laughed a lot at it. I think we were supposed to laugh… or at least I hope so.
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> Deb was acting like the world’s clingiest and insecure girlfriend got cheated on.
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> And as to point 1, she didn’t just ignore Rita, but she didn’t ask if he killed Harry, their mother, the neighbor’s dogs, Rita’s ex, Brian/the doctor, Lila, Doakes, Trinity, Lundy, Lumen’s rapists, his former BFF and his brothers (Jimmy Smits). Ask “Did Rita know? Does anyone else know?” Maybe I missed a few things when I spaced out due to boredom or _headdesking_ through the stupidity, but I’d have had a lot more to say and ask than “What are you thinking?” every 10 seconds.
She put together doakes in her head when she asked if he was the Bay Harbor Butcher - she knows - she just couldnt bring herself to say it.
La Guerta also just re-opened that case - if Deb doesn’t realize it by then - she will.
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### Author:  [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)
#### Post date: [October 10, 2012, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/23 "2012-10-10T04:20:44Z")
Missed the edit window -
ETA - inthe scene - She asked if he was - he hinted or said yes - she said “does that mean” - he said, “Dont go there”. ALso the code specifically says to protect himself as well - so mr. Computer Genius is a valid target - as would anyone else that learns or threatens Dex’s exposure.
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### Author:  [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)
#### Post date: [October 10, 2012, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/24 "2012-10-10T17:28:30Z")
> [@The\_Controvert](#):
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> Deb also looks amazingly good for someone who was woken up in the middle of the night.
Well, she evidently sleeps in a tanning bed.
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### Author:  [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2012, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/25 "2012-10-11T01:52:26Z")
> [@simster](#):
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> La Guerta also just re-opened that case - if Deb doesn’t realize it by then - she will.
But LaGuerta got the slides sent to her personally and made a big deal about it being something she wasn’t sharing. So unless Deb finds out what LaGuerta is doing, she (and Dexter) think they’re the only ones who know/suspect.
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### Author:  [@ecoaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ecoaster)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2012, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/26 "2012-10-11T02:10:19Z")
The convict scene was great and one of the most memorable one episode mini-stories in the history of the show. The guy totally manipulates us- (“oh, he has a conscience”, etc.) but then gets the last word. If I were in his shoes (shackles?), a wild goose chase, sunshine and softserve would be the best way to depart. A Mac truck jump takes guts.
The eastern European angle is pretty limp right now. Deb is pathetic, but her knowing definitely makes things more interesting…
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### Author:  [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2012, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/27 "2012-10-11T02:26:46Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#):
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> But LaGuerta got the slides sent to her personally and made a big deal about it being something she wasn’t sharing. So unless Deb finds out what LaGuerta is doing, she (and Dexter) think they’re the only ones who know/suspect.
Right after LaGuerta opened the box of Doakes evidence - she called the FBI office.
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### Author:  [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2012, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/28 "2012-10-11T14:48:17Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#):
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> But LaGuerta got the slides sent to her personally and made a big deal about it being something she wasn’t sharing. So unless Deb finds out what LaGuerta is doing, she (and Dexter) think they’re the only ones who know/suspect.
Question 1: What did the slide confirm or tell her… that it was the dead guy’s blood?
Question 2: Why was Dexter’s dad worried that Little Dexter would kill Little Deb’s dog? Are we aware of things he had done or are they hinting at him having done bad things?
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### Author:  [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/29 "2012-10-11T15:04:25Z")
> [@What\_the](#):
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> Question 1: What did the slide confirm or tell her… that it was the dead guy’s blood?
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> Question 2: Why was Dexter’s dad worried that Little Dexter would kill Little Deb’s dog? Are we aware of things he had done or are they hinting at him having done bad things?
Answer 1: Slides at a suspicous death tht match the Bay Harbor Butchers slides - indicate that he BHB may not have been doakes (she never bought that it was) and that he may still be alive (not doakes, but the BHB)
Answer 2: Dex had already been killing pets/animals - it was that discovery that led dad to help him focus his dark energies.
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/30 "2012-10-11T16:54:10Z")
An earlier episode showed Harry taking Dex (as a teenager, somewhat older than these most recent flashbacks) hunting. Harry wounds a deer and as a reward, lets Dex finish it off with a knife in what I assume was the slow cruel way Dex craved (and which, incidentally, is rather unlike the small facial cut and single stab to the chest we’ve seen him favour since episode one).
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### Author:  [@Doug\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_K)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2012, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/31 "2012-10-11T17:10:52Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#):
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> An earlier episode showed Harry taking Dex (as a teenager, somewhat older than these most recent flashbacks) hunting. Harry wounds a deer and as a reward, lets Dex finish it off with a knife in what I assume was the slow cruel way Dex craved (and which, incidentally, is rather unlike the small facial cut and single stab to the chest we’ve seen him favour since episode one).
In the beginning it was established that he normally “plays” with his victims for awhile before delivering the coup de gras. He’ll finish the deed quickly if he’s pressed for time, but it doesn’t quite satisfy his thirst for blood. I’m pretty sure that most of the time we’re expected to pretend we’re seeing an abridged version of the kill on screen.
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2012, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/32 "2012-10-11T17:20:16Z")
Well, he taunts them with reminders of their misdeeds, but I guess even a Showtime audience wouldn’t be keen on a half-hour vivisection.
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/33 "2012-10-11T17:58:48Z")
> [@What\_the](#):
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> Question 1: What did the slide confirm or tell her… that it was the dead guy’s blood?
Yes, which means it’s unlikely his death was a suicide. Also, being the same MO as Doakes means either Doakes is still running around or that Doakes was framed.
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2012, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/34 "2012-10-11T18:20:23Z")
I’m pretty sure Doakes was confirmed dead, so I doubt that’s going to be a consideration (or if it is, I’m going to lose a lot of respect for this show).
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### Author:  [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2012, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/35 "2012-10-12T02:16:13Z")
> [@simster](#):
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> Right after LaGuerta opened the box of Doakes evidence - she called the FBI office.
Ok, I must have spaced out on that part. Can’t imagine why, with such riveting writing. :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/36 "2012-10-12T19:00:14Z")
I hope Dexter is paying Jaime a shit-ton of money to raise his kid for him. :mad:
I thought the same thing when Deb told Dexter to move in with her: “Uhhhh, what about Harrison? Where is he??” Geez, just make a storyline where he puts the kid up for adoption for heaven’s sake, it’s not like he has anything to do with him.
I feel so bad for Jaime’s character - the poor girl has no life from constantly “babysitting” and now the writers have given her a psychopath for a boyfriend. ☹
Deb is the single most annoying character I have ever encountered on a TV show. She is dumber than a box of rocks and needs her cop badge taken away with extreme prejudice. I’m only watching this show out of habit now because my “suspension of disbelief” is stretched beyond it’s limit.
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### Author:  [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/37 "2012-10-12T19:44:41Z")
> [@Soylent\_Juicy](#):
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> I thought the same thing when Deb told Dexter to move in with her: “Uhhhh, what about Harrison? Where is he??” Geez, just make a storyline where he puts the kid up for adoption for heaven’s sake, it’s not like he has anything to do with him.
He’s crucial to the last scene of the show where we see Dexter die in some gruesome way and Harrison sees it and the camera pans backwards slowly and we all say “another serial killer is born.”
Or some shit.
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### Author:  [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2012, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/38 "2012-10-13T02:12:43Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#):
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> He’s crucial to the last scene of the show where we see Dexter die in some gruesome way and Harrison sees it and the camera pans backwards slowly and we all say “another serial killer is born.”
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> Or some shit.
That’s got to be the only reason why they’re keeping that character around. It’s pretty easy to write out a child - on “Rescue Me” the one guy was a single dad and his girlfriend (played by Susan Sarandon) essentially kidnaps his daughter and he was perfectly fine with that. No mention was ever made of the kid again.
I hope that eventually SOMETHING happens with Harrison because the writing around that kid (actually the lack thereof) right now is annoying as hell.
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### Author:  [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2012, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-10-7-12-sunshine-and-frosty-swirl/637108/39 "2012-10-15T05:43:50Z")
Someday, when someone reads this thread, the above post isn’t going to make any sense.
The next episode got added into this thread, so I asked for them to be moved to a new thread. You’ll see it in the next thread. Buck The System.
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