# Dexter 12/16/12 Surprise Motherfucker **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 17, 2012, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266 "2012-12-17T03:38:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/21 "2012-12-17T17:53:14Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Angel is _almost_ retired. He’s got a few weeks left. I’m not sure where Matthews is, but I think he’s trying to inch his way into retirement as well. Either pick would be a ‘just when I though I was out’ scenario. > Deb would be cliche/easy, but she’s been climbing the corporate ladder, right on Maria’s heels for as long as we’ve known her, so it might make sense. OTOH, she hasn’t been Lt for very long and honestly isn’t ready to be the Capt. With that logic - Angel is a seargent - he hasn’t even been a Lt yet, so can’t be. Deb makes sense, except for the fact they set up Mathews coming back so that he can get his full retirement/pension, and now that they are absent a Cpt, makes sense for him to step back in. Other option is to introduce a new charactor, but that seems iffy at the end of the series. I know - lets promote Masuka! ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/22 "2012-12-17T18:12:24Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I know - lets promote Masuka! I’d imagine he’d want them to get [new bullet proof vests](http://trakt.us/images/episodes/495-5-3.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![ministryman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@ministryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ministryman)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/23 "2012-12-17T19:56:21Z")
All I have to say is Holy Effin Franken Eff! I think LaGuerta was stupid for thinking that she could get Dexter if he was smart enough to pull all of this off. She should have waited until she had all of the pieces in place, and then sprung the trap. She should’ve called for backup. She’s like a female Dr. Evil… Hannah pulling the Hannibal Lecter / Honey Badger thing was a nice twist. I figured she’d die before being locked up forever. I do have a problem with why she wasn’t in restraints. She was incarcerated. Common sense (which was lacking in this episode) would have been to shackle her and/or post a guard outside the door. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/24 "2012-12-17T19:59:36Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > I do have a problem with why she wasn’t in restraints. She was incarcerated. Common sense (which was lacking in this episode) would have been to shackle her and/or post a guard outside the door. She was strapped to the bed by one of those plastic thingys, but somehow got hold of some scissors and cut her way out. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/25 "2012-12-17T20:06:59Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > She was strapped to the bed by one of those plastic thingys, but somehow got hold of some scissors and cut her way out. Other then to move the story along, I can’t think of any reason for not to have been handcuffed to the bed. Who woulda guessed there’s things in a hospital she could use to cut a zip tie?:smack: Also, unless that’s normal in her jurisdiction, there’s no way she could have known she wouldn’t have been handcuffed to the bed. But I can overlook it. It was still a good episode overall. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/26 "2012-12-17T20:33:00Z")
I love that no-one hears these conversations that deb/dex or deb/hannah has - in the open courtroom with her guard 5 feet away. My wife and I call that the linoleum affect - ---
**Author:** ![A\_Dodgy\_Dude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a87d85/32.png) [@A\_Dodgy\_Dude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_Dodgy_Dude)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/27 "2012-12-17T20:36:45Z")
Glad to see LeGuerta get whacked, but Deb…☹ Dexter has done permanent serious damage to her. I wouldn’t be surprised if one - or both - of them end up dead at the end of the next season. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/28 "2012-12-17T21:42:45Z")
Would they handcuff someone in a hospital? Seems like if they needed an emergency transfer to an OR or something it would be a hassle to make sure to find the guy with the handcuff key, etc. Wouldn’t surprise me if hospital procedure was to have restraints that are easy to get off quickly if necesary. ---
**Author:** ![ministryman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@ministryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ministryman)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/29 "2012-12-17T21:56:06Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Would they handcuff someone in a hospital? Seems like if they needed an emergency transfer to an OR or something it would be a hassle to make sure to find the guy with the handcuff key, etc. Wouldn’t surprise me if hospital procedure was to have restraints that are easy to get off quickly if necesary. If you had a police escort, they would have the key. There are several movies in which they handcuffed the bad guy/girl to the hospital bed (Conspiracy Theory, for one). ETA…And Terminator 2… ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/30 "2012-12-17T21:57:27Z")
Well, to be fair, in real life they’d probably have Sarah Conor in a full Hannibal Lector restraint system with a SWAT team to guard her 😛 ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/31 "2012-12-17T21:58:28Z")
It’s possible that the police made a snap judgment call and decided that a slender woman was unlikely to require any more restraint than a zip-tie. I’m not sure how they neglected to at least _watch_ her, though. Seeing Doakes again made me realize how much better the show was early on. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/32 "2012-12-17T22:00:30Z")
Doakes was, by far, the best villain(?) the show ever had. Season 2 is the best season because of him, by a large margin. I’ve missed Doakes. This has probably been the best season since 2 though. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/33 "2012-12-17T22:35:34Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Doakes was, by far, the best villain(?) the show ever had. Season 2 is the best season because of him, by a large margin. I’ve missed Doakes. This has probably been the best season since 2 though. I read this post on my phone earlier and didn’t notice the “(?)”. I was going to say that in that season Doakes was really the protagonist while Dexter was more of the villain. But I don’t remember who he was after. Personally, my favorite season was with Trinity/John Lithgow. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/34 "2012-12-17T22:38:25Z")
Dexter was clearly the protagonist - the story is told from his perspective - so it’s more accurate to call Doakes the antagonist, since he’s not a bad guy, and villain doesn’t fit. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/35 "2012-12-17T22:45:46Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I read this post on my phone earlier and didn’t notice the “(?)”. I was going to say that in that season Doakes was really the protagonist while Dexter was more of the villain. But I don’t remember who he was after. > > Personally, my favorite season was with Trinity/John Lithgow. The other ‘villain’ in that season was the FBI - if memory serves, the kills themselves were not a season long nemesis like seasons since. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/36 "2012-12-18T02:14:20Z")
I just saw the episode. I was surprised that Hannah was secured with just a plastic zip tie. And was it deliberate that we didn’t see Harrison at the party? I thought that Hannah would kidnap or kill him, but perhaps that will happen in the first episode of the next season. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/37 "2012-12-18T05:55:15Z")
So, apparently Hannah DID drug Deb? I thought for sure Deb had faked it. I think it would’ve been a better story if she had - Dex losing his love (who HADN’T betrayed him after all), and Deb breaking more laws and taking crazy risks to get rid of Hannah. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/38 "2012-12-18T06:02:50Z")
I have no idea. Hannah told Dex she did it but then made an odd comment to Deb about her Xanax. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/39 "2012-12-18T06:10:47Z")
In the end - it didn’t really matter - the statement at the prison was the big ‘truth’ - Dex would never be able to trust her ‘not’ to do it - and for some reason, Hannah could never ‘trust’ Dexter either. But early in the episode - yes, Hannah admitted to being the one that drugged Deb - Her comment to Deb (about the xanax at the courtroom) was to get under Deb’s skin about the xanax and being a hypocrite when it came to Dexter. After all, how would Hannah know Deb was on xanax if she hadn’t drugged her with it. Hannah would not hurt Harrison nor Dexter directly - I think the flower at the door is either the ‘poison’ plant or a hint for Dexter to know how to find her (or both). As for next season - I can’t really see them ending it with Dex in prison or dead - so I still think that next season will be Dexter’s final wake up call that he really does want ‘that life’ that he had been faking for so long. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-12-16-12-surprise-motherfucker/644266/40 "2012-12-18T13:59:51Z")
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