# Dexter Season 4 open spoilers for aired episodes \[changed title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 19, 2009, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318 "2009-10-19T12:55:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/301 "2009-12-07T15:41:23Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > I didn’t understand why Trinity left so soon…did he see the pictures of Kyle and realize that wasn’t the guy he knew? Good catch. I thought Trinity left because he heard the same neighbors that Dexter heard. I didn’t notice until I played it back that those Christmas card photos were on the table near the door where Arthur could see them right away. It was dark in the apartment but there was enough light from the hallway for him to see the photo. **Joey P** , yeah, I was all wrong about Arthur luring Dexter to Kyle #2. Arthur killed the first Kyle only after he threatened to call the cops. But how stupid was it for Arthur to try to break in from the front of the house? ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/302 "2009-12-07T15:47:43Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Not unless they first realized that the truck driver isn’t Trinity, they only way that’s going to happen is if they take a DNA sample from him and find it doesn’t match the DNA they found on the hair brush/toothpaste etc. So again I ask… does it really matter? If they think he is Trinity…fine. If they realize he isn’t … the real Trinity framed him. Ahhh… now I get it, then they would keep looking for the real Trinity. That could be a problem if Dexter doesn’t get rid of him publicly or if he fails to dispose of him adequately. ---
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/303 "2009-12-07T16:12:36Z")
I’ve given this show a lot of lattitude in the believability department. The time within which Dexter is able to both set up his elaborate kills and then clean up after himself, including a trip to the Gulf Stream. He seems to carve out hours that don’t exitst. I let those slide, even when it’s inconsistent\* because it’s good suspense. But why, why, why, do they have to unnecessarily drift into the stupidlt unbelievable? Angel telling Christine and Christine acknowledging that they can detain her indefinitely because she’s a material witness, seriously? If that were the case, wouldn’t Git’mo be filled with a bunch of “material wintesses”? I am pretty sure that unless you’ve been arrested, you’re free to go. Once’s youve been arrested and you invoke your right to counsel, they have to leave you alone. Also pretty sure a crime beat reporter would know this. Really chaps my hide. \*In the last episode, they made a lot out of Christine getting to the Lundy shooting by 5:20, suggesting she knew about the crime before hand. In this epsiode, Dexter talks about getting from Miami to Jacksonville “by midnight.” That’s at least a five hour drive, which means leaving by seven, which means the tail end of rush hour, which means it’s not a five hour drive. It was already dark when he said this. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/304 "2009-12-07T16:26:05Z")
**whole bean** , yeah, it’s really not possible for Dexter to do what he does. There’s some unbelievable time compression. Another example from this week is how quickly he found Brodie. I know truck drivers are friendly and helpful to other drivers, but an immediate response was really unlikely. And his leaving work all the time. Quinn finally asked “Where do you go?” ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/305 "2009-12-07T16:46:25Z")
There certainly is a lot of time compression and I have wondered how Dexter gets to leave work so much. Wikipedia says the actress who played Christine was about to quit acting and did this last audition to get a job. She hasn’t worked much at all in recent years. She’s married to Brandon Routh who plays Superman now. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/306 "2009-12-07T17:38:35Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > **whole bean** , yeah, it’s really not possible for Dexter to do what he does. There’s some unbelievable time compression. Another example from this week is how quickly he found Brodie. I know truck drivers are friendly and helpful to other drivers, but an immediate response was really unlikely. 10-4 good buddy, but it made for some great CB talk didn’t it;) ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/307 "2009-12-07T19:01:04Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > It’s complicated, and maybe I’m giving Arthur too much credit. I think it was a lure because Arthur killed the first Kyle. As soon as he saw that Kyle wasn’t the guy he was looking for, he knew that if he killed him, Dexter would find out and try to protect the second Kyle. He had no other way to find Dexter. Arthur killed the first Kyle because he caught him snooping around his house and threatened to call the police. It wasn’t meant as a lure - he had no way of knowing Dexter would even find out about it. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/308 "2009-12-07T19:52:19Z")
Yeah, I figured that out after I remembered that Kyle #1 followed Arthur out to the van, ranting about calling the cops. I do like the idea of it being the other way though. Arthur deliberately kills Kyle #1, hoping that it’ll make the news and Dexter will see it, and then go to Kyle #2 to protect him and Arthur will be waiting. How did Arthur come up with Dexter/Kyle’s address, the phony address? I missed that. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/309 "2009-12-07T19:54:01Z")
He said he checked with the address Dexter registered with the 4 walls charity and it lead him to the jetski place. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/310 "2009-12-08T22:55:35Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > I do like the idea of it being the other way though. Arthur deliberately kills Kyle #1, hoping that it’ll make the news and Dexter will see it, and then go to Kyle #2 to protect him and Arthur will be waiting. This would require Arthur knowing the true Dexter and his intentions as intimately as the audience does. As it is, if such a scene aired, people would be howling about how convenient Arther knows Dexter wants to protect Kyle #2. Up until the end, Arther knows Dexter only as “Kyle Butler”, schlubby guy turned extortionist who killed someone in a hunting accident and whose family left him. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/311 "2009-12-08T23:14:41Z")
> [@whole\_bean](#): > > Once’s youve been arrested and you invoke your right to counsel, they have to leave you alone. Not exactly. They are no longer allowed to ask you questions, which, IIRC, they immediately stopped doing and never started again. They are, however, allowed to hang out and talk to you. If you participate in that conversation then that’s your choice. And if you voluntarily bring up aspects of the case, they can then resume questioning. But there was nothing wrong with Deb going in and giving her food and talking about why she joined the police force. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/312 "2009-12-08T23:32:38Z")
> [@The\_Controvert](#): > > This would require Arthur knowing the true Dexter and his intentions as intimately as the audience does. As it is, if such a scene aired, people would be howling about how convenient Arther knows Dexter wants to protect Kyle #2. > > Up until the end, Arther knows Dexter only as “Kyle Butler”, schlubby guy turned extortionist who killed someone in a hunting accident and whose family left him. Good point. But Arthur also knows Dexter as the man who kept him from killing the little boy and who arranged for the boy to be found (without ending up a hero on CNN). Arthur doesn’t know the true Dexter, but he’s not thinking of him as a schlub anymore. ---
**Author:** ![ministryman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@ministryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ministryman)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/313 "2009-12-09T19:03:49Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > I wish they could find another way to write Rita’s character. ::whining:: Dexter, can you come home? Baby has a fever.::whining Give him a baby aspirin and shut the fuck up! > > I realize the writers do that just to put more pressure on Dexter, but it’s making me really hate the character. Yeah, taking care of a home and children is work, but I had four kids and a full-time job and an alcoholic uninvolved husband, and I never whined like she does. Amen! And just WTF does she do all day? Cody and Astor are in school, and she’s had already had two kids, so she knows how ill they get, so why isnt the medicine cabinet full of baby meds? Reminds me of someone I was married to once. Where’s the Ice Pick? ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/314 "2009-12-10T14:55:10Z")
Let’s see…there’s a cop killer who wants to confess. Let’s walk into her apartment and have a chat with her without even doing a simple pat down and a search in the immediate area for a weapon. I found it surprising that Deb seemed to know that Christine was going to off herself instead of, you know, Deb. It was also surprising that the good detective didn’t bring a recording device at all to record the expected confession for trial, which would have also come in handy exonerating herself in Christine’s death. Because, of course, you have a dead woman who is the lead suspect in a murder and the only witness to her suicide is the victim. Hmm. You’d think that a cop would be smarter than that. Sloppy writing. I agree about the timing. There’s no way that Dexter would have had the time to carry out everything he did. He was really, really sloppy this time. Stan was pinpointed as the Trinity killer, which would buy Dex some time to get to the real Trinity, but the real Stan is now missing – presumably dumped into the ocean. So where was the massive manhunt, which would included looking at any surveillance footage as well as interviewing truckers who would have seen someone matching Dexter’s description lurking around Stan’s truck… Rita told Dexter about the kiss because she was gauging his reaction. When your husband is so distracted/disinterested that he’s “Oh, well that’s okay.” about another guy kissing you, then that’s a big red flag. That’s why Rita was so happy to get a reaction from him. Don’t really get why Batista had to have Dexter Morgan witness his marriage versus Joe the Security Guard. The final meeting between Dexter and Trinity “Hello, Dexter Morgan” was great. Dexter decking his neighbor was awesome. The look on Lithgow’s face with Kyle Butler #1 tried to stop him from leaving was soooo creepy. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/315 "2009-12-10T18:32:49Z")
Dexter’s standard of proof for killing a killer is REALLY slipping. He just got done killing an innocent guy – though he didn’t seem to agonize over it very long – and next he’s killing a trucker after reading _one line in a police report_ about how something was screwed up and the guy walked on a previous charge. This “family man” thing is making him a much poorer vigilante. ---
**Author:** ![Xan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/316 "2009-12-10T18:38:27Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Dexter’s standard of proof for killing a killer is REALLY slipping. He just got done killing an innocent guy – though he didn’t seem to agonize over it very long – and next he’s killing a trucker after reading _one line in a police report_ about how something was screwed up and the guy walked on a previous charge. > > This “family man” thing is making him a much poorer vigilante. Stan, the trucker, got off because of screwed up chain of custody on evidence. He may have admitted to the murder but I’m not sure. As for the photographer, he may not have actually killed the girls but he probably knew about it. He was at least an accomplice. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/317 "2009-12-10T20:14:40Z")
> [@Xan](#): > > Stan, the trucker, got off because of screwed up chain of custody on evidence. He may have admitted to the murder but I’m not sure. > > As for the photographer, he may not have actually killed the girls but he probably knew about it. He was at least an accomplice. There was nothing in those episodes to say the phtotgrapher had any involvement at all in the murders. He might have been an accomplice, but he wasn’t _at least_ an accomplice. ---
**Author:** ![running\_piglet\_cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/22d042/32.png) [@running\_piglet\_cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_piglet_cheese)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/318 "2009-12-10T20:45:26Z")
How did Dex get the police interested in the trucker? Why wasn’t he just a missing person instead of a suspect for the Trinity killings? I like when Dex is never quite sure what to say or do in social/relationship situations. The conversation with Rita in bed about not being jealous or mad. Dex: “Should I be?” Rita: “No.” “OK then. Let’s go to sleep.” Then when he realized it was OK with her that he punched horny neighbor, he was so surprised he had done something right. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/319 "2009-12-10T21:14:33Z")
> [@running\_piglet\_cheese](#): > > How did Dex get the police interested in the trucker? Why wasn’t he just a missing person instead of a suspect for the Trinity killings? Somebody at the truck stop called it in, probably because the truck was there all night and Stan wasn’t anywhere around. The cops found Lundy’s Trinity notebooks in the truck. ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318/320 "2009-12-10T21:38:02Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Somebody at the truck stop called it in, probably because the truck was there all night and Stan wasn’t anywhere around. The cops found Lundy’s Trinity notebooks in the truck. In addition to Trinity’s hair on the seat. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dexter-season-4-open-spoilers-for-aired-episodes-changed-title/514318.md?page=17)