# Dharun Ravi gets.... 30 DAYS? Oh. Really? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 21, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639 "2012-05-21T18:43:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/121 "2012-05-24T02:48:30Z")
> [@pikey\_pete](#): > > jeez, I almost…ALMOST wish there was a like button on this site (because sometimes I am lazy.) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![pikey\_pete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pikey\_pete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pikey_pete)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/122 "2012-05-24T02:50:40Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > You know who I wish would get raped in prison? People who wish other people got raped in prison. Seriously, you’re a major asshole if you fantasize about how some people deserve to be raped. Nobody deserves to be raped, not even teenagers who violate their room-mate’s privacy and then don’t express remorse over it. dude, read the whole fucking post. You look like an asshol when you don’t pay attention to the 'in all seriousness" part. If you are going to call me out, you should at least have the decency of a Fox News commentator and take me completely out of context. fuck man, have you never heard of dark humor or hyperbole? While we are on the subject, you just called me out on percieved wrong doing with hypocrisy. bravo. now go wipe the drool from the corner of your mouth before it gets on your keyboard, then see if they sell a sense of humor on ebay. Last thought: did I ever mention him getting raped? No. It was your sick mind that went there. My implication was that it would make him incredibly uncomfortable sharing a cell with a man who was obviously gay and had the ability to act upon his desires if he wanted to. You see, that is called a trap and you waltzed right into it. ---
**Author:** ![pikey\_pete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pikey\_pete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pikey_pete)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/123 "2012-05-24T03:01:52Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > My friend, I could write the book on bullying. I was bullied horribly from my 7th grade year to my 11th grade year, both verbally and physically. And it upset the hell out of me. But I never once thought of killing myself over it. And the bullying finally stopped when I made it stop. It took getting physical in return in one case, but it worked. > > And if it worked for me, it would have worked for Tyler Clementi, had he chosen to do it. And that was my point - he chose to kill himself instead of doing something about it. cry me a fucking river. I was bullied from first grade till I was almost graduated from college, ergo, I guess you’ll be using my book as a reference in your academic work on bullying. Your lack of empathy has me seriously thinking of calling bullshit on you. Every person I know who was a fellow target of bullying has empathy for others who have been bullied. Maybe you’re just a sociopath. Also, you make a very immature mistake in your evaluation of the situation: not everyone is you. I for one am quite glad of this fact. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/124 "2012-05-24T03:24:38Z")
> [@pikey\_pete](#): > > Maybe you’re just a sociopath. Lame. :rolleyes: > [@pikey\_pete](#): > > Every person I know who was a fellow target of bullying has empathy for others who have been bullied. What about for the bullies? ---
**Author:** ![pikey\_pete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pikey\_pete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pikey_pete)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/125 "2012-05-24T03:57:18Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Lame. :rolleyes: > > What about for the bullies? his commentary justifies the opinion. Call it lame if you will. As for empathy for the bullies, that is a difficult thing for someone who endured 15 years of bullying. If they are that miserable, they should find more constructive ways to raise their self esteem. After a while though, you start to realize that most bullies derive some sort of perverse pleasure from the pain they inflict. if you want lame: look in the mirror. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/126 "2012-05-24T04:05:24Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > Actually, the subtext was that I was judging someone for being such a useless fuck that he wrote a post bragging about how smart he was in an attempt to win an internet argument. Because that’s hilarious and totally judgment-worthy. You just apparently didn’t pick up on it. > What’s that about my damn foolish tool? Yeah, you should stick to simple shit that requires no brain power. Everyone needs to feel important. I just hope that you don’t ever have any children when you grow up. ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/127 "2012-05-24T04:17:58Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > Yeah, you should stick to simple shit that requires no brain power. Everyone needs to feel important. I just hope that you don’t ever have any children when you grow up. Ugh, and you’re sad and whiny too. Christ. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/128 "2012-05-24T04:31:27Z")
> [@pikey\_pete](#): > > if you want lame: look in the mirror. I am. It’s called a computer screen. All I can see is a post and the name behind it, nothing more, nothing less. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/129 "2012-05-24T08:01:39Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > Lame. You seen Clothahump’s other posts? > [@Kozmik](#): > > I am. It’s called a computer screen. ? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/130 "2012-05-24T20:12:30Z")
> [@pikey\_pete](#): > > cry me a fucking river. I was bullied from first grade till I was almost graduated from college, ergo, I guess you’ll be using my book as a reference in your academic work on bullying. Your lack of empathy has me seriously thinking of calling bullshit on you. **Every person I know who was a fellow target of bullying has empathy for others who have been bullied.** Maybe you’re just a sociopath. Also, you make a very immature mistake in your evaluation of the situation: not everyone is you. I for one am quite glad of this fact. Pete, where have I said that I don’t have empathy for him? My point - and I’ll repeat it because it appears to have sailed right over your head - is that I think he made bad decisions about what happened. And sociopath, my ass. You’re an ignorant fuck for posting bullshit like that. ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/131 "2012-05-25T04:13:37Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Pete, where have I said that I don’t have empathy for him? My point - and I’ll repeat it because it appears to have sailed right over your head - is that I think he made bad decisions about what happened. > > And sociopath, my ass. You’re an ignorant fuck for posting bullshit like that. That would be the part where you said this: [QUOTE=Clothahump] And frankly, I have no sympathy for him. [/QUOTE] So not only did you say that you don’t give a shit about the fact that this kid was treated abominably, but now you’re going back and trying to pretend you didn’t say what you did, because you don’t like the social consequences of what you said. Fucking pathetic, under either interpretation. Either you are so screwed up that you can’t feel any sympathy for this kid – but then you lied and said you did because you were so desperate to avoid the social consequences of what you said. Or else you feel sympathy for the kid but put on an idiotic macho display of not caring because you can’t handle actually thinking about what happened to the kid. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/132 "2012-05-25T14:53:53Z")
I think he should have got more time. He should have been convicted of a hate crime, and done more jail time, in my opinion. That said, no matter how much time he does, he has to live with his actions the rest of his life. He’s a young man, that’s a long sentence, in my opinion. His youth and bravado, some public support and empathy may get him through the start, but they won’t last. And soon enough it will just be him and his conscience, knowing his actions caused another person’s death. Time will pass, this case will fall from discussion, but every now and then, it’s going to come up. Whatever the nature of the discussion, and whether he owns it or not, he’ll know it’s him they are talking about. Who knows what Karma has in store for him. Perhaps he’ll have a gay son, of his own, one day. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/133 "2012-05-25T15:12:31Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > And soon enough it will just be him and his conscience, knowing his actions caused another person’s death. Nah, he’s just sad he got caught. ---
**Author:** ![pikey\_pete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pikey\_pete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pikey_pete)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/134 "2012-05-25T18:10:58Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Pete, where have I said that I don’t have empathy for him? My point - and I’ll repeat it because it appears to have sailed right over your head - is that I think he made bad decisions about what happened. > > And sociopath, my ass. You’re an ignorant fuck for posting bullshit like that. nah, your point just sailed wide of the issue. you displayed in your posts a lack of understanding of the power that a person’s emotional state can have on them and their decision making, especially when they are under the age of 25 or so (the impulse control centers of the brain aren’t fully developed till then.) You ridiculed Clementi for his choice. You implied that everyone should think and act like you in a given situation, and if they don’t, they are weak and foolish. Sorry if you don’t like it, but it’s either you’re a sociopath, or you’re petulant, naive and immature. Your choice. ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/135 "2012-05-25T20:18:52Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > And soon enough it will just be him and his conscience, knowing his actions caused another person’s death. In the United States (and in India too), the average person feels pride, not regret, at causing a gay person’s death. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/136 "2012-05-26T00:11:12Z")
You got a cite for that, especially for the US? ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/137 "2012-05-26T00:13:31Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > In the United States (and in India too), the average person feels pride, not regret, at causing a gay person’s death. For the US, I think you are wrong on that account. Given that support for gay marriage is approaching 50%, I don’t think you would find that the average American would feel pride at causing a gay person’s death. That said - deport the little shit. We have enough bigots home grown, I don’t need to open the doors to any extras. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/138 "2016-09-09T18:40:51Z")
> [@](#): > > Former Rutgers student Dharun Ravi has won his appeal seeking to overturn his convictions in the Tyler Clementi webcam case. > > The appellate court sided with Ravi’s attorneys who had argued he never should have been charged with bias crimes and his convictions should be reversed. The court also ordered a new trial saying Ravi could not have received a fair trial as the bias evidence “permeated the trial.”… > > Ravi was not charged in Clementi’s death and his defense maintained the webcam incidents had nothing to do with Clementi’s decision to commit suicide. He was sentenced — and has already served — his 30-day sentence, three years of probation and 300 hours of community service. > **[Ex-Rutgers student in Tyler Clementi case has bias convictions overturned](https://www.nj.com/middlesex/2016/09/ex-rutgers_student_bias_appeal_in_tyler_clementi_c.html)** > > The court also rejected the prosecution's argument seeking a stiffer sentence against Dharun Ravi. What’s the benefit of continuing an appeal after you have already served your sentence? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/139 "2016-09-09T18:46:34Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > That said - deport the little shit. We have enough bigots home grown, I don’t need to open the doors to any extras. This is a troubling attitude. It’s wrong to believe that we can fix our society by throwing people out. Ravi has lived most of his life here; he is our problem to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639/140 "2016-09-09T19:54:58Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > [Ex-Rutgers student in Tyler Clementi case has bias convictions overturned - nj.com](http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2016/09/ex-rutgers_student_bias_appeal_in_tyler_clementi_c.html) > > What’s the benefit of continuing an appeal after you have already served your sentence? It would presumably expunge his record, meaning no (or fewer) consequences for things like background checks, government jobs, voting rights, etc. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dharun-ravi-gets-30-days-oh-really/622639.md?page=8)